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News Eight Photos From Star Trek: Discovery: If Memory Serves

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Eight new photos have been released from this week’s Star Trek: Discovery episode, If Memory Serves. There will be spoilers below. In...

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I'm mildly let down that it seems like Burnham and Spock make it back to Discovery by the end of the episode. I was hoping they'd string out their separation from the main cast at least a little bit longer.
 
Yeah, I agree. It's not the first time their preview photos have been a little too spoilery for me. I wish I could resist the urge to look at them before watching the episode. :lol:
 
I'm glad they are not glossing over what Voq did to Culber last season. Going at the person who was responsible for your death (err, near death experience?) seems like a natural thing to do, even if the person wasn't really themselves at the time. I'm still very curious, though, where exactly they are going with the Culber story. Is there more to it than just your regular acclimating to being reborn again?
 
Why would I want to see Culber attack Ash? It wasn't Ash's fault at all. Although it's totally understandable that Culber has issues and will find it hard to adjust to seeing someone who he remembered killing him. Even if logically he knows it wasn't Ash but Voq. He needs to work through his trauma. But....so does Ash. He is just as much a victim as Hugh. I actually hope that they will have scenes together to realize just how much they both struggling with identity issues, violation and trauma.
 
Why would I want to see Culber attack Ash? It wasn't Ash's fault at all. Although it's totally understandable that Culber has issues and will find it hard to adjust to seeing someone who he remembered killing him. Even if logically he knows it wasn't Ash but Voq. He needs to work through his trauma. But....so does Ash. He is just as much a victim as Hugh. I actually hope that they will have scenes together to realize just how much they both struggling with identity issues, violation and trauma.

Honestly, if I were the writers, I would play it the other way. Culber seems to be suffering from dissociation from his "previous" life to a certain extent. It would make for better drama if he acted like it was no big deal, and then Stamets freaked out about how he wasn't angry.
 
I disagree. I don't think it would make for better drama at all. But YMMV. I think it's logical that Hugh has been through a hugely traumatic experience and needs to work through his issues. This is realistic and in a serialized drama, it does need to be addressed rather than just glossed over or forgotten like it sometimes is in more episodic shows.

What I'm having problems with, though, is how the writers are ignoring Ash's very similar predicament. He didn't asked to be captured, brutally tortured and then used as a memory engram on some Klingon spy to hide his treachery. He didn't kill Hugh, Voq did, after he was activated and to preserve his cover. Ash was fighting to keep his identity and sanity and almost lost except that L'Rell basically mercy-killed Voq. So now we have a traumatized decent Starfleet officer who is neither fully Ash nor Voq. He's Ash dominant but still with most of Voq's Klingon centric memories .

He should have been shipped off to a mental facility by now. But due to the story he's stuck trying to circumnavigate his new predicament.

Quite frankly I am surprised that more people aren't sympathizing with how lost and still damaged he is after all that he's endured.

In past Trek situations, the person who was possessed externally and driven to do bad things was ultimately forgiven once he or she recovered from the violation. Why is the same courtesy not extended to Ash Tyler?

This is the beef I have with the writers. They are underplaying Ash's trauma. Like he's being emo and sullen because...rather than going on a bender because he can no longer figure out his place or his identity after the violence done to him.
 
I disagree. I don't think it would make for better drama at all. But YMMV. I think it's logical that Hugh has been through a hugely traumatic experience and needs to work through his issues. This is realistic and in a serialized drama, it does need to be addressed rather than just glossed over or forgotten like it sometimes is in more episodic shows.

What I'm having problems with, though, is how the writers are ignoring Ash's very similar predicament. He didn't asked to be captured, brutally tortured and then used as a memory engram on some Klingon spy to hide his treachery. He didn't kill Hugh, Voq did, after he was activated and to preserve his cover. Ash was fighting to keep his identity and sanity and almost lost except that L'Rell basically mercy-killed Voq. So now we have a traumatized decent Starfleet officer who is neither fully Ash nor Voq. He's Ash dominant but still with most of Voq's Klingon centric memories .

He should have been shipped off to a mental facility by now. But due to the story he's stuck trying to circumnavigate his new predicament.

Quite frankly I am surprised that more people aren't sympathizing with how lost and still damaged he is after all that he's endured.

In past Trek situations, the person who was possessed externally and driven to do bad things was ultimately forgiven once he or she recovered from the violation. Why is the same courtesy not extended to Ash Tyler?

This is the beef I have with the writers. They are underplaying Ash's trauma. Like he's being emo and sullen because...rather than going on a bender because he can no longer figure out his place or his identity after the violence done to him.

I don't think we're meant to think it's Ash's "fault" that Culber died. It's just that some people have not forgiven and forgotten. Which is good, because actions should have consequences in dramatic fiction, and a "reset button" here would be terrible. As it is, Tilly, Michael, and Saru have nothing really against him, which is pretty good considering what happened.

On the other hand, I think it was a good idea to not have Ash continue to wallow in his trauma (unlike Stamets, where the trauma was underplayed). I mean, there's only so much drama you can milk out of a broken and emotionally damaged character who is in a steady state. At some point you need to have them start to get better - or at least start to get functional.
 
Looks like we might get a chance to see Culber smack Tyler upside the head.

Hopefully Tyler has some Klingon strength left, I noticed in the previous episode that Culber looked pretty jacked in that tank top.

I'm glad they are not glossing over what Voq did to Culber last season. Going at the person who was responsible for your death (err, near death experience?) seems like a natural thing to do, even if the person wasn't really themselves at the time.

From the image, this looks like a follow up to the fight in the mess hall. I could see Hugh being surprised by Ash's presence and attacking him initially, this looks more like they are trying to come to grips with the aftermath.
 
This is the beef I have with the writers. They are underplaying Ash's trauma. Like he's being emo and sullen because...rather than going on a bender because he can no longer figure out his place or his identity after the violence done to him.

Some people don't immediately fall apart after trauma. Some try to put the pieces together, fail, and then have a meltdown. Look how hard Ash is leaning into being That Section 31 Guy(tm). He's definitely trying to find his place and it seems very likely that just being an always-suspicious spy organization figurehead may not be it for him. The confrontation with Culber could unlock lots of story potential.
 
Some people don't immediately fall apart after trauma. Some try to put the pieces together, fail, and then have a meltdown. Look how hard Ash is leaning into being That Section 31 Guy(tm). He's definitely trying to find his place and it seems very likely that just being an always-suspicious spy organization figurehead may not be it for him. The confrontation with Culber could unlock lots of story potential.

You make good points. Perhaps I am being a little impatient and making an incorrect assumption about Ash's development. I do agree with you that there's a lot of story potential that could be unlocked if the writers use this confrontation between Culber and Tyler as a spring board to explore their issues further.
 
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