Anyone afraid The Red Angel reveal will be a letdown
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I wouldn't say the "reveal" will be a letdown, but its certainly possible for some conclusions to be better than others. For instance, something I think is fairly likely at the moment which would bother me is
Something like that wouldn't be great.
regardless of whether or not the Red Angel is Burnham, the conclusion involves changing history in some way so that Burnham isn't fostered by Sarek and Amanda, perhaps by saving her parents, who we were just reminded of, and that's how they "reconcile canon," unhappening the show thus far and having the remainder take place in a more fannishly TOS-styled universe with Spock not having a sister, no Klingon War, no spore drive, and so on, a la that time half the cast of Eureka altered history and the series was wildly and irreversably retooled when they got back.
Something like that wouldn't be great.
I'm sure it'll be a future version of someone we know. But they've woven a story where whoever it is, I won't be disappointed.
Future Burnham
Time Tilly
Mirror Georgiou
Old Spock
Picard
ReguLorca
Mangled Pike
Harry Mudd
...whoever it is, it'll be fascinating to see how they got there. None will be a story-killer like the Lorca twist.
Seems like a reasonable development.
Yes, but that's quite a bit of canon reconciliation there. I can't see them doing all of that with one event. And I really don't think they'll do any of that anyway.
Honestly, I don't watch shows worrying about whether they will let me down. The way I see it, if TV watching makes you angry or anxious, you're doing it wrong. 
In general, I prefer to give shows and movies the benefit of the doubt rather than worry in advance about whether I'll be disappointed.
In general, I prefer to give shows and movies the benefit of the doubt rather than worry in advance about whether I'll be disappointed.
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From what I understand, Code of Honor was originally pitched and written involving a reptilian race, but the director Russ Mayberry made some extremely dubious choices with regard to casting, script changes and changing the setting to be more African in theme. He ended up being fired before completing the episode. So I think a big part of the problem was the direction as well.
Nope not afraid, more expecting some to be so.
Because I've seen it happen all too often: fans get too entrenched and enamored with their personal theories that they are inevitably bitterly disappointed when proven wrong and that sours their reception to the actual conclusion. Speculation is encouraged and welcome, of course, but expectations do often need to be tempered. A lot of the theories I've read seem a bit fan-fictiony for my tastes, but clearly opinions differ on what would be plausible or 'great'.
There are also fans who want a shocking twist above all else, who then find the carefully seeded plot conclusion to be "too obvious" to be satisfying. Sometimes the writers are aiming for dramatic irony or a build of tension or anticipation rather than trying to have a gotcha moment with the audience. They want the audience to be in the know, but not the characters. I don't understand why some would prefer the conclusion to come from absolutely nowhere and not be at least hinted at throughout the journey. Execution can leave something to be desired, though, and writers can overdo the telegraphing and drop the ball that way.
In the end, tastes vary, which is why we can get vastly differing opinions on whether a reveal or conclusion was satisfying or not.
Nope not afraid, more expecting some to be so.
Because I've seen it happen all too often: fans get too entrenched and enamored with their personal theories that they are inevitably bitterly disappointed when proven wrong and that sours their reception to the actual conclusion. Speculation is encouraged and welcome, of course, but expectations do often need to be tempered. A lot of the theories I've read seem a bit fan-fictiony for my tastes, but clearly opinions differ on what would be plausible or 'great'.
There are also fans who want a shocking twist above all else, who then find the carefully seeded plot conclusion to be "too obvious" to be satisfying. Sometimes the writers are aiming for dramatic irony or a build of tension or anticipation rather than trying to have a gotcha moment with the audience. They want the audience to be in the know, but not the characters. I don't understand why some would prefer the conclusion to come from absolutely nowhere and not be at least hinted at throughout the journey. Execution can leave something to be desired, though, and writers can overdo the telegraphing and drop the ball that way.
In the end, tastes vary, which is why we can get vastly differing opinions on whether a reveal or conclusion was satisfying or not.
Honestly, I don't watch shows worrying about whether they will let me down. The way I see it, if TV watching makes you angry or anxious, you're doing it wrong.
In general, I prefer to give shows the benefit of the doubt rather than worry in advance about whether I'll be disappointed.
Yup. Don’t understand that. Or hate watching. Realized I needed to stop watching TWD when I realized I literally didn’t give a shit about what was going on nor did I care if a single character lived or died.
Why bring back shroom-Culber if you were going to reset everything anyway?
Don't get me wrong, S2 has definitely been "The Search for Spock" (in that it's spending a lot of time undoing the previous outing, not that it hasn't been a literal search for Spock too) season. But there's more elegant ways to undo everything than what they've done.
It does sometimes seem like the internet tends to assume the worst too often. A new movie or TV show can be a year away and people will already be worrying about worst-case scenarios. "What will happen to STAR TREK if DISCOVERY fails?" or whatever.
The revelation about the Red Angel will come when it comes. Not going to worry about it until then. I didn't vote in the poll because how can I possibly know how I'll feel about it before I see it.?
And there in lies the reason I never watched TWD or GOT for that matter.
Star Trek or not, if it isn't entertaining and enjoyable I'm not watching it.
I find that shows can be entertaining for a variety of reasons myself. For instance, while I don't find Orville usually what fans of that show call 'enjoyable' I am 'entertained' at how MacFarlane is filtering TNG through his own personal 'sensibilities' (usually a few palmfaces, WTF? moments in each ep).
I'm open to all sorts of stuff, but a show had to not have anything that I'm going to get much out of in order to completely let it pass. Had to narrow my field more and more of late, however, as there are dozens of shows on now that have a least something interesting about them.
You are far more patient and open than I am. I can watch the Orville, but it's largely for worldbuilding and not TNG sensibilities.
I can general find positive things in what I watch but just have the time to watch all that much.
Well, with Orville its more like the reaction that Data had on his first drinking binge courtesy of Guinan.
But there's lots of interesting stuff out there.
Same here. I was willing to let a lot slide with that show, but enough is enough. I give up, and that's saying something.
That itself isn't really a letdown. I know there was some speculation early on the Red Angel might actually be a divine entity, but I would have found it very surprising if Star Trek actually went there. So the revelation of the Red Angel's more rational origins was more or less expected by me.One would think that the "let down would already have occurred for some, since we now know that the Red Angel is a ...Humanoid in a Spacesuit.
Precisely. Especially with all the handwringing over this season being "faith vs. science" and how Trek would handle it.