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So, Georgiou is back and we'll see Spock... I wonder if this episode will actually go to Vulcan, as Burnham says at the end of the previous episode...
It definitely looks like there's two plots going on here. One with Pike/Tyler male bonding time flying a shuttle into an anomaly and one with Burnham on a planet with red rocks running into Spock and Georgiou.
I somehow think she really is going to Vulcan next week. Unless...
This is the visit to Talos IV that Kurtzman spoke of.
It would make sense that Spock is hiding on a planet that Starfleet has forbidden travel to.
Talos IV would be the last place anyone would think to look.
Eventually visiting Talos IV would also explain how Spock would become familiar enough with the Talosians to undertake the events of "The Menagerie" - since he never interacts with them directly in "The Cage".
Eventually visiting Talos IV would also explain how Spock would become familiar enough with the Talosians to undertake the events of "The Menagerie" - since he never interacts with them directly in "The Cage".
Do we know for certain they've banned travel to Talos IV at this point? I'm thinking that perhaps what happens is that Pike and Spock make this decision after whatever happens happens. Perhaps Section 31 takes an interest in the Talosians and weaponizing their power, which is what leads Georgiou to Talos as well. That leads to a far more plausible idea that "Captain Christopher Pike and the Half-Vulcan Science Officer Spock" would recommend no one visit Talos IV. But who knows?
At the end of "The Cage", Spock would justifiably consider the Talosians a grave threat. At the end of an adventure where he learns things that eventually make "The Menagerie" possible, he'd probably see them as benign or useful, else there wouldn't be "The Menagerie". Would he recommend the quarantine, and get Pike to agree with him, if he saw reduced threat and the potential for future medical/geriatric care? A bit selfish of him - if the place can save people from fate, this need not be marketed, but not made extra difficult, either. Spock would be shooting himself in the leg (again?) in terms of "The Menagerie", too!
Timo Saloniemi
I just know that Kurtzman has suggested we'd see the Talosians and Talos IV again. I think this would be an opportunity for that to happen. I think if there is truth to Kurtzman's statement (and I have no reason to believe there isn't), Section 31 will be involved. Yes, the Talosians are dangerous as is the idea of living in any illusion. But is what we see in "The Cage" actually worth the idea of a death penalty? There are hundreds of Starships which have been on many missions throughout the years. Wouldn't classifying the existence of Talos IV be enough? Perhaps Pike and Spock suggested this post-"The Cage" but if someone (Section 31) tries to weaponize the idea of illusion? I could see Leland trying to weaponize the Talosians' power. Isn't that far more dangerous? And far more suitable to the idea of being the only death penalty still in play by Star Fleet? If Spock, for whatever reason, was drawn to Talos IV after requesting leave, he might believe that his visions are coming from Talos. It could lead to him there.
Don't get me wrong. It's probably Vulcan in the promo. I'm just saying I would find it more interesting if this is how we're being introduced to Talos this season.
Don't get me wrong. It's probably Vulcan in the promo. I'm just saying I would find it more interesting if this is how we're being introduced to Talos this season.
Now this theory I really like as it could potentially provide a good opportunity to expand upon what we saw in the original episode(s).
I predict Spock's been prisoner on the S31 ship the whole time.
Now that would be interesting. I don't think there's anything that's happened so far with Section 31 that definitely would contradict them already having Spock. It may not be likely, but it seems plausible.
Nah he's on Vulcan.
Did Kurtzman actually say they would visit Talos IV, or that Talosian people would appear?
Because the esteemed canon says that the Enterprise was "the only Earth ship that ever visited the planet." But maybe the episode will have the Enterprise go there instead of USS Discovery.
Because the esteemed canon says that the Enterprise was "the only Earth ship that ever visited the planet." But maybe the episode will have the Enterprise go there instead of USS Discovery.
Kor
The Death Penalty for Talos IV has to be one of the Top 5 stupidest things ever thought of in Star Trek. What I'm hoping for is that Discovery makes it make more sense.
Okay, I'm not putting up spoiler warnings for this particular post because I'm only talking about an episode that came out 52 years ago. I bolded the relevant part, from a transcript of "The Menagerie, Part I".
KIRK: (reading) For eyes of Starfleet Command only.
MENDEZ: Oh, I'm certifying I ordered you to read it. Know anything at all about this planet?
KIRK: What every ship Captain knows. General Order 7, no vessel under any condition, emergency or otherwise, is to visit Talos Four.
MENDEZ: And to do so is the only death penalty left on our books. Only Fleet Command knows why. Not even this file explains that. (unlocks the magnetic strip) But it does name the only Earth ship that ever visited the planet.
KIRK: The Enterprise, commanded by Captain Christopher Pike.
MENDEZ: With a half Vulcan science officer named Spock.
PIPER: Commodore! Captain Pike, he's gone!
MENDEZ: Mendez here. What is it?
VOICE [OC]: Starship Enterprise, Commodore. It's warping out of orbit. Refuses to acknowledge our signal.
Whatever only Starfleet Command knows and the file doesn't even explain is the gray area for Discovery to explore.
KIRK: (reading) For eyes of Starfleet Command only.
MENDEZ: Oh, I'm certifying I ordered you to read it. Know anything at all about this planet?
KIRK: What every ship Captain knows. General Order 7, no vessel under any condition, emergency or otherwise, is to visit Talos Four.
MENDEZ: And to do so is the only death penalty left on our books. Only Fleet Command knows why. Not even this file explains that. (unlocks the magnetic strip) But it does name the only Earth ship that ever visited the planet.
KIRK: The Enterprise, commanded by Captain Christopher Pike.
MENDEZ: With a half Vulcan science officer named Spock.
PIPER: Commodore! Captain Pike, he's gone!
MENDEZ: Mendez here. What is it?
VOICE [OC]: Starship Enterprise, Commodore. It's warping out of orbit. Refuses to acknowledge our signal.
Whatever only Starfleet Command knows and the file doesn't even explain is the gray area for Discovery to explore.
It looks like Michael is walking through a reddish cavern with Amanda. My guess is that she does go home to Vulcan as she vowed to in ep 6 and together they come up with the idea that he might have run away to the same caves he did as a child. They go there and find him unresponsive, spouting gibberish. Michael quotes Alice in Wonderland to get through to him, since that's a recurring motif with those three. They are in the process of transporting him to a medical ship (previous footage of him being wheeled down a corridor on a gurney with medical staff around him). However, this is when MU Pippa turns up and says, "Thanks, we'll take him from here." They get into a physical fight over it. Michael loses and Spock is taken by S31 for interrogation and their own purposes. Dun dun dun.....
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