That was kinda my point.
50th Anniversary Rewatch Thread
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Ugh I hate how wasted A Way to Eden was. We all agree that the writers missed the point on the counterculture movement, but imagine if it was re-written today using anti-vaxxers or some other lunatic fringe. Would have the potential to be at least interesting.
And it's really too bad that Chekov gets some attention but, well, the plot sucks.
One positive: the pan over the knocked out crew on the bridge as the hippies sing on the intercom is pretty creepy. Great juxtaposition from the use of the song in the previous act.
And it's really too bad that Chekov gets some attention but, well, the plot sucks.
One positive: the pan over the knocked out crew on the bridge as the hippies sing on the intercom is pretty creepy. Great juxtaposition from the use of the song in the previous act.
Are you implying you got wasted during the episode? It would make a much different experience...
"Creepy". They were murdering terrorists.
"Creepy". They were murdering terrorists.
yeah, they went really dark with it. I appreciated the willingness to go all-in, even having the "less bad" villains think about it and make the wrong decision despite reservations vs. being cookie-cuter pure eeeevil.
There's a lot to hate in "The Way to Eden," but there's a lot I really like. To summarize things I've said before:
1) Skip Homeier kills it, especially in the scenes with McCoy and Spock.
2) Looking at this episode through an anti-vaxxer lens, as @erastus25 basically suggests, isn't a stretch, given the disease that Sevrin (ol' fungus ears) carries and refuses to treat.
3) Charles Napier is also outstanding and can sing.
4) I genuinely love "Heading Out to Eden." https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Heading_Out_to_Eden
5) Herbert is a wonderful insult.
6) The last line of the episode is one of my favorites. "We reach, Mister Spock." It's a three-way pun.
a) Superficially, it's Kirk being hip and less the Herbert. He's adopting the lingo of the space hippies.
b) It's acknowledging to Spock that he personally understands Spock better in general. We reach=I read you loud and clear.
c) It's acknowledging to Spock that he agrees with what Spock had just told Irina, which Kirk is paraphrasing as reaching for something better.
7) I love the space hippy infinity emblems. They're kinda an offbeat counterpoint to the Starfleet arrowhead-deltas.
1) Skip Homeier kills it, especially in the scenes with McCoy and Spock.
2) Looking at this episode through an anti-vaxxer lens, as @erastus25 basically suggests, isn't a stretch, given the disease that Sevrin (ol' fungus ears) carries and refuses to treat.
3) Charles Napier is also outstanding and can sing.
4) I genuinely love "Heading Out to Eden." https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Heading_Out_to_Eden
5) Herbert is a wonderful insult.
6) The last line of the episode is one of my favorites. "We reach, Mister Spock." It's a three-way pun.
a) Superficially, it's Kirk being hip and less the Herbert. He's adopting the lingo of the space hippies.
b) It's acknowledging to Spock that he personally understands Spock better in general. We reach=I read you loud and clear.
c) It's acknowledging to Spock that he agrees with what Spock had just told Irina, which Kirk is paraphrasing as reaching for something better.
7) I love the space hippy infinity emblems. They're kinda an offbeat counterpoint to the Starfleet arrowhead-deltas.
Absolutely. Sevrin was a standout baddie that had real depth. Almost a tragic figure.
That scene, though, where McCoy confronts Sevrin about his carrier status, was one of the few where McCoy sounded like an actual physician who actually practiced medicine instead of merely dispensing folk wisdom or making speciest attacks on a fellow officer. Actually. It’s among my favorites.
^ Our first Herbert has spoken!
<censored>
Gonna crack my knuckles and jump for joy
I got a clean bill of health from Dr. McCoy
I got a clean bill of health from Dr. McCoy
The scene where they're playing their music and Sevrin is standing in the brig with that smile on his face...creepy as hell.
By the same standard of proof, Christians are pedophiles, doctors are mass murderers, cops are corrupt... etc...
Actually, I believe aliens from outer space could use Charles Manson as proof that humans are nothing but bloodthirsty demented serial mass murderers!!
I think there's something even more pathetic than this episode, as hard as it is to imagine, it's Shatner's interpretation of "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds"!!!
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You're talking in absolutes. There's room for good space hippies and bad space hippies; in this episode we see both. This episode is about the dangers of cult leadership, and in that it does indeed seem prescient.
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Maybe they just wanted to be free of imposed order upon their lives? The ability to wake up and do your own thing whenever you want is a trend that has been denied to us as a species since the dark ages!
JB
JB
I think you dropped your sense of proportion a while back.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, however, it's usually appreciated when that opinion isn't expressed in the form of an ad hominem.
The only hippies I've met in person were French hippies, they lived in the middle of nowhere in the countryside grew their own vegetables and made their own soap (that sort of thing). They were the kindest people I've ever met, gentle, not preachy and most of all they never used annoying expressions like "we reach" and didn't call people "Herbert" or whatever but they had a terrible flaw, they were real people! And I say that as someone who's never been a hippie and never even tempted by that lifestyle.
You went to Nazi comparison. I stand by my statement,
As is your right.
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