Unless by the time she gets there, they've switched to the TOS ones.
What's so great about Pike?
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Unless by the time she gets there, they've switched to the TOS ones.
Captain T'Pol might be interesting, although I wouldn't put it past the showrunners to force some connection to Spock (making her his grandmother or something) because it seems the galaxy gets smaller with each Trek series.
I know film/tv rights probably prevent this, but it'd be hilarious if Discovery's chief engineer this entire time was the Prime version of Keenser from the Kelvin films.
I know film/tv rights probably prevent this, but it'd be hilarious if Discovery's chief engineer this entire time was the Prime version of Keenser from the Kelvin films.
The only rights issues I'm aware of would be, whoever wrote the films Keenser appeared in might be owed money every time he appears. (This is why ENT had T'Pol instead of T'Pau, and VOY had Tom Paris instead of Nick Locarno.)
I think part of the appeal might be the mysteriousness. The Captain right before The Captain. I remember when I first found out about "The Cage" in 1991, when I bought a Starlog Magazine Special about the 25th Anniversary of Star Trek, I wanted to see it. The fact that it was rejected made me more interested in seeing it. "Why was it rejected?" 1991 was my first year as a fan, and I hadn't seen any TOS yet. Just the movies. So there was that allure. And then, once I saw it, there was the thought of "What could've been?"
Don't get me wrong, I like the series we actually got. But a series with the cast from "The Cage" and Phase II are both things I would've liked to have somehow been able to see.
Beyond that, Pike's just The Captain, but with a twist: he's tired of it and we get to see his inner demons, what he thinks he yearns for, and then watch him slowly realize that's not what he really wants. Pike goes through an entire character arc in "The Cage" that would've taken at least a few episodes if not an entire season if it were done today.
So, the Pike we get in DSC has already gone through the "What do I want to do with my life?" and "Do I really want to keep doing this?" dilemmas and is just here as The Captain of Discovery while the Enterprise gets repaired. Pike seems to be through his inner-demons, and that makes him less interesting in one way, but for the purposes of Discovery, he's supposed to be a grounding influence, and he wouldn't be much of a grounding influence if he were still going through the inner-turmoil he went through in "The Cage", so I don't see him being in a different place as a problem.
Because his arc was set-up and resolved in "The Cage", they had to give him something new to work with. First he was established as the Anti-Lorca, but you don't need an entire season to do that, so now that we have a better feel for him, they've set up his rivalry with Leland. And I like that we're getting to know more about Pike's life and his past.
The mysteriousness isn't there anymore but, in its place, we have a Captain where I think it'll be sad to see him go when he does, and makes me care more about what happens to him in "The Menagerie" than I did back when the only time he ever appeared before that was in "The Cage".
Don't get me wrong, I like the series we actually got. But a series with the cast from "The Cage" and Phase II are both things I would've liked to have somehow been able to see.
Beyond that, Pike's just The Captain, but with a twist: he's tired of it and we get to see his inner demons, what he thinks he yearns for, and then watch him slowly realize that's not what he really wants. Pike goes through an entire character arc in "The Cage" that would've taken at least a few episodes if not an entire season if it were done today.
So, the Pike we get in DSC has already gone through the "What do I want to do with my life?" and "Do I really want to keep doing this?" dilemmas and is just here as The Captain of Discovery while the Enterprise gets repaired. Pike seems to be through his inner-demons, and that makes him less interesting in one way, but for the purposes of Discovery, he's supposed to be a grounding influence, and he wouldn't be much of a grounding influence if he were still going through the inner-turmoil he went through in "The Cage", so I don't see him being in a different place as a problem.
Because his arc was set-up and resolved in "The Cage", they had to give him something new to work with. First he was established as the Anti-Lorca, but you don't need an entire season to do that, so now that we have a better feel for him, they've set up his rivalry with Leland. And I like that we're getting to know more about Pike's life and his past.
The mysteriousness isn't there anymore but, in its place, we have a Captain where I think it'll be sad to see him go when he does, and makes me care more about what happens to him in "The Menagerie" than I did back when the only time he ever appeared before that was in "The Cage".
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Well, aren't fan series doing Phase II now? Although there's nothing stopping the Trek producers from recasting the entire TOS group and making their own phase II set after the Motion Picture...
The Early Voyages comic book is a pretty good take on what a Pike Enterprise series would have been like. Strangely enough, it still fits in with Discovery if you assume that Pike's fights with Klingon Kaaj in that comic book are isolated personal incidents and don't count as formal interactions between the Federation and the Klingons...
Yes and no. I would've liked to have seen the 1978 article. But the fan series is very good.
Yup. I used to pick it up when I was in high school. I still have the issues -- and a ton of other stuff -- stacked away somewhere.
If any of Pike's old crew turn up, it should be José Tyler, who will of course turn out to be a spy. 
I am uncertain Jolene would commit to the entire season, now. Maybe a few episodes? I would settle for a meaningful appearance.
How about Phlox? They've never established how long Denobulans live I don't think?
yeah, I'm pretty sure Alex Kurtzman would be totally against paying money to the Kelvinverse writers
Well, Bob Orci did post on trekmovie saying "You can't go home again" when he was asked about joining up with Alex on the new Trek productions: https://trekmovie.com/2019/01/08/st...ng-guest-stars-a-possibility/#comment-5426995 . Did something really bad happen between them?
I would rather have Yeoman Colt appear too.If any of Pike's old crew turn up, it should be José Tyler, who will of course turn out to be a spy.
If Reno's not the chief engineer, I know who they can call upon:
Moves-With-Burning-Grace.
Played by Lance Reddick, of course.
Moves-With-Burning-Grace.
Played by Lance Reddick, of course.
Other than the fact that Jolene Blalock is still smoking hot, I don't see the appeal making T'Pol captain. First, 100 odd years later, why would she still be in Starfleet? And a captain? Maybe an admiral, but more likely she would be serving Vulcan or the Federation at large in a larger capacity by this point in her career. Also, with all due respect to Jolene Blalock, I can't see her bringing the same kind of gravitas to the captain's chair that Jason Isaacs and Anson Mount have.
She could have been out of Starfleet for msny decades and rejoined with the tank of at least Commander.
I also think T'Pol would have moved on beyond Starfleet. Maybe... Federation president?
In order to line up with DS9, Section 31 needs to be kicked out of mainstream Starfleet and sent into hiding. And that requires a push from the top--no one on Discovery right now has that kind of pull, except maybe Sarek. Bringing in T'Pol might work in this scenario.
In order to line up with DS9, Section 31 needs to be kicked out of mainstream Starfleet and sent into hiding. And that requires a push from the top--no one on Discovery right now has that kind of pull, except maybe Sarek. Bringing in T'Pol might work in this scenario.
Well, he and the genocidal, bad to the bone Terran Empress/Section 31 agent Georgiou. She's living proof that "evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
I strongly disagree with that. Also, I wonder if 'likeable' is just another way of saying 'doesn't rustle my jimmies'. While Burnham, Stamets, Tilly and Saru may have personality traits which some might find abrasive (and others find relatable), they are all fundamentally decent, caring, brave and loyal individuals at their core. Detmer and Owesekun also come across as good people.
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