Just how old is Capt Pike? (based on 1 line in Saints of Imperfection)
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Or it is just is free. There probably is some upper limit how much a single person can replicate, but it is so high that it doesn't matter in practice. I really don't understand how this can be so difficult concept.
Replicators are often cited as the reason why the Federation is "post-scarcity". My response to that is twofold:
- So who maintains the replicators? They don't fix themselves. And the energy and bulk matter required to run them doesn't come from thin air.
- What about those who refuse to use replicators, like Robert Picard and family? How are they compensated for the work they do? You can't tell me they only make wine because it's fun. All work must be compensated in some form, including this.
The Federation uses credits, we've all seen it. There's probably just an ongoing debate over whether the Federation credit qualifies as money. /thread
- So who maintains the replicators? They don't fix themselves. And the energy and bulk matter required to run them doesn't come from thin air.
- What about those who refuse to use replicators, like Robert Picard and family? How are they compensated for the work they do? You can't tell me they only make wine because it's fun. All work must be compensated in some form, including this.
The Federation uses credits, we've all seen it. There's probably just an ongoing debate over whether the Federation credit qualifies as money. /thread
So just like the British Pound in 40 days then? It is still used as currency but it doesn't qualify as money?
Bots and the repair personnel who work for free to better themselves.
It kinda does. It is made out of hydrogen via fusion.
No, that's outdated thinking. They absolutely make wine because it is 'fun', they better themselves that way. They give it away for free.
This is not difficult. Who pays you to post here, who pays to people who fill the internet with Star Trek fan fiction? No one, people do stuff for free because they like doing it. And if you don't actually need to worry about money, as you can get everything you need for free, then why not dedicate your time doing things you like?
Those are for interacting with primitive money based societies.
Never seen "The Escape Artist", have we? A Tellarite bounty hunter - and citizen of the Federation - expects payment in credits for the return of Harry Mudd. Sure sounds like money to me!
Actually, bulk matter can come from thin air, literally. That's kinda inherent in the concept. Beyond that, humanity has never had a problem coming up with unlimited supplies of waste matter. As for energy, the Federation's capabilities are sufficiently advanced that fusion reactors are seen as antiquated technology, so it's safe to say energy supplies are effectively unlimited as well.
Yes, I can tell you they only make wine because it's fun! Just like Sisko's dad's creole cooking. They do these things because they enjoy them, not out of some anachronistic need to "earn a living." (And who says "all work must be compensated in some form"? You assert that as if it were some kind of law of nature. Even today, we all engage in all kinds of uncompensated tasks, for all kinds of reasons.)
I envision some sort of social credit system. How exactly it works, we have no idea. @Yistaan's suggestion just now, while perhaps a bit literal, is certainly one imaginative possibility.
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This post-scarcity thing isn't probably fully working until the 24th century. Though even then some unscrupulous individuals might want latinum so that they could further trade it in substances that are illegal in the Federation and thus not available from replicators.
I am also not interested debating every inconsistency ever mentioned regarding the subject, I just merely tried to outline how the moneyless society could work for those who had difficulty envisioning it.
AAAAAAAAAAAnyway...it seems like the whole reason this thread existed (regarding Pike's age) is because of Mendez's line in "The Menagerie". Obviously Pike and Kirk are not, and could never have been, the same age, so Mendez must have meant that Pike was the same age back then as Kirk is now, i.e. about 34. That may have worked with Jeffrey Hunter, but not anymore.
Once Anson Mount - who is obviously older than Hunter was when he played Pike - was cast, they had to move Pike's birth year back a couple of decades. (Officially, now, Pike was born in 2202, as his biography in "Brother" showed. Which means he's 55 now, and was 51 when the TOS Cage/Menagerie flashback scenes took place.)
This isn't a matter of DSC ignoring continuity, it's ignoring an obscure throwaway lilne. They wouldn't dare refuse to cast Mount just because he's older. A discrepancy in age is well worth having him on the show.
Although if we have to explain it...Mendez is just bad at remembering people's ages. See? It works.
Once Anson Mount - who is obviously older than Hunter was when he played Pike - was cast, they had to move Pike's birth year back a couple of decades. (Officially, now, Pike was born in 2202, as his biography in "Brother" showed. Which means he's 55 now, and was 51 when the TOS Cage/Menagerie flashback scenes took place.)
This isn't a matter of DSC ignoring continuity, it's ignoring an obscure throwaway lilne. They wouldn't dare refuse to cast Mount just because he's older. A discrepancy in age is well worth having him on the show.
Although if we have to explain it...Mendez is just bad at remembering people's ages. See? It works.
No, "Brother" doesn't establish that. The only relevant date in the personnel file shown there is that Pike took command of the Enterprise in 2250. That's why this thread is about inferences from the line about him drinking with Georgiou at the Academy. If it comes down to interpreting ambiguous lines of dialogue, that one is up for grabs just as much as Mendez's.
(And Anson Mount doesn't look remotely close to 55.)
Nah, I'd buy it. But I'd prefer to keep the character closer to the actor's age if possible.
^ I checked. He's 46.
As for a birth year of 2202, I could have sworn that was part of Pike's bio (shown on the Discovery viewscreen when he takes command). Anyone got a screenshot of that?
As for a birth year of 2202, I could have sworn that was part of Pike's bio (shown on the Discovery viewscreen when he takes command). Anyone got a screenshot of that?
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Dumb question: Is "latinum" a thing in the 23rd century? I don't remember it being talked about until the latter-day shows, let alone being used as a means of currency until the Ferengi showed up. Seems to me TOS mostly mentioned "credits" and such.
(I concede the possibility that ENTERPRISE may have retconned latinum back into earlier generations and I just don't remember it.)
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I'm pretty sure that latinum was mentioned by that species that took over Archer's Enterprise in "Acquisition". We never did learn their species name, did we? I wonder what ever became of them?
idk, but in TSFS one of them offered a ride to the Mutara sector to McCoy in a bar. At least in my headI'm pretty sure that latinum was mentioned by that species that took over Archer's Enterprise in "Acquisition". We never did learn their species name, did we? I wonder what ever became of them?
I have indulged in similar fan-fictioning.
I'm glad I'm not the only one
Apparently it was mentioned in 'Escape Artist' at least. I think it makes more sense if it is just not a Ferengi thing, it would be kinda limited form of currency if it was.
