Sure. I've seen 52 year olds on TV that don't look any older than Hunter does in the Cage.
Just how old is Capt Pike? (based on 1 line in Saints of Imperfection)
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Sure. I've seen 52 year olds on TV that don't look any older than Hunter does in the Cage.
I could actually totally see Prime Georgiou as an epic drinker, and I imagine she did it dignified and very poised.
Prime Georgiou was that kind of woman, then she got stabbed through the heart in a bar fight.
And she won the fight and finished her drink before seeking medical attention.
Damn right she did. That drink was paid for!
When was it ever said on onscreen that there no churches in the 23rd century? As noted, there was a chapel on the Enterprise.
Hell, I'm a lifelong atheist and even I find it a leap to assume that somehow there are no churches or religious people anywhere on Earth in the 23rd century--especially since that was never stated in any TOS episode or movie.
Anyone who knows me, knows I'm not a fan of religion. Yet, TOS seemed pretty clear it exists in the 23rd century.
Then why was there a chapel (not the nurse) on the Enterprise?
Because as Bill said, "...seemed pretty clear it (religion) exists in the 23rd century.
There was mention of a Christmas party on the original Enterprise. There was a celebration of the Hindu festival of lights on the Enterprise-D. Kasidy Yates mother preferred that her daughter be married by a minister rather than an admiral.
People take Roddenberry's personal views of religion a little too seriously where Star Trek is concerned. Yes, he created it, but there have been hundreds of writers of I imagine all religious backgrounds working on the various shows over the last fifty years.
So the worlds of the 23rd and 24th century are diverse like our own. They just learned to respect that people have all kinds of belief systems.
So the worlds of the 23rd and 24th century are diverse like our own. They just learned to respect that people have all kinds of belief systems.
While it was never stated in TOS there was no religion, I think it highly likely that, given the time travel technology available, by at least the TNG era religion would be greatly reduced, if not eliminated.
The reason I think so is that Federation scientists would have time traveled invisibly to see the formation of said religions to see if anything supernatural actually happened. And as an atheist myself, I find it very likely they will find that nothing supernatural happened at all.
These research results would be published, and religious attendance would definitely decline. Of course some would say the scientists are wrong etc (the Bajorans still think the wormhole aliens are gods), but many would believe them.
Voyager even traveled to the Big Bang in one episode, and there was nothing indicating a divine intelligence behind it at the time. Add into the fact that people like Q exist, and I think invisible Earth deities who never show up can't begin to compete with documented Q feats and appearances.
Ah yes. Let me put on my glasses and read that again...
Wow, and I thought Pike's timeline was bad (from https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kathryn_Janeway#Early_life )--
According to an okudagram shown in "The Killing Game", Janeway was born in 2344, meaning she was only twenty-seven in 2371, when she took command of the USS Voyager, in comparison to the real age of actress Kate Mulgrew, who was thirty-nine when she took the role. The best approximate reference from dialogue for determining her age could be taken from her statement of not having played tennis since high school, nineteen years prior to 2373. Assuming the average high schooler's age, ranging from fourteen to eighteen, this offers a potential range for dates of birth and ages to be approximately 2336 (age thirty-seven) to 2340 (age thirty-three), still several years younger than Mulgrew herself.
Maybe we can just use this as justification that all personnel files are unreliable and just pretend Georgiou was born in 2219?
According to an okudagram shown in "The Killing Game", Janeway was born in 2344, meaning she was only twenty-seven in 2371, when she took command of the USS Voyager, in comparison to the real age of actress Kate Mulgrew, who was thirty-nine when she took the role. The best approximate reference from dialogue for determining her age could be taken from her statement of not having played tennis since high school, nineteen years prior to 2373. Assuming the average high schooler's age, ranging from fourteen to eighteen, this offers a potential range for dates of birth and ages to be approximately 2336 (age thirty-seven) to 2340 (age thirty-three), still several years younger than Mulgrew herself.
Maybe we can just use this as justification that all personnel files are unreliable and just pretend Georgiou was born in 2219?
That's an intriguing theory, but to be clear: Nothing like that has ever been shown or discussed onscreen so we can't assert that this is something firmly established in Trek lore--or that DISCO somehow how got it "wrong" for not being consistent with a fan theory.
Until we actually get a scene where Kirk casually mentions the ill-fated Nazareth time-travel expedition, or Chekov scratches his head and ask what a "church" is, this is just supposition.
You know, I'm not sure that actually wasn't the purpose of the line - not making Pike older, but Georgiou younger. I agree with what someone said above, writers really should avoid giving specific dates, because it just creates inconsistency somewhere.
I don't see Pike in his 50s during the Cage or in his 60s during the Menagerie, so I'm just going to ignore that bit of dialogue.
I don't see Pike in his 50s during the Cage or in his 60s during the Menagerie, so I'm just going to ignore that bit of dialogue.
I think there are three ways you can have canon and they're like the three ways you can have water: ice, liquid, and vapor. Ice is frozen in place. Vapor is something you can't do anything with because it has no coherency. But liquid flows and keeps things hydrated and moving.
Flow, canon, flow . . ...
Correct. Not for a minute. I think Malachi Throne should give back his salary for the episode since he was never on it.
I actually saw Malachi Throne on a city bus in New York City in the 80's, but I was too shy to say anything to him mostly because I didn't know his real name and I didn't want to call him Noah Bain. I was also a big fan of "It Takes A Thief", so, now I double regret it.
He did voice the Keeper. So he's in the Cage clips.Correct. Not for a minute. I think Malachi Throne should give back his salary for the episode since he was never on it.
I actually saw Malachi Throne on a city bus in New York City in the 80's, but I was too shy to say anything to him mostly because I didn't know his real name and I didn't want to call him Noah Bain. I was also a big fan of "It Takes A Thief", so, now I double regret it.
