Just how old is Capt Pike? (based on 1 line in Saints of Imperfection)
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But what a boring explanation!
How many crazy admirals have we had in 50 years of Star Trek, many of who were old friends with our heroes? Did Sisko accuse his old war comrade Admiral Leyton of being a changeling just because Leyton became a power hungry madman? (Ironically Sisko should have since the whole episode was about changelings).
Memories from 30 years ago clashing with the present day character does not automatically mean our hero will start screaming impostor.
Future Admiral Janeway in the Voyager series finale did things VOY Janeway would never do, and she wasn't an impostor either.
I think its better than they are just grabbing known names and shoving them in the show without regard as to whether they fit or not.
But it does not automatically mean they won't either, and that's enough of a difference for me I guess. It makes sense within the context of the story to me, and everyone reacts to things in different ways. Besides, Pike's suspicion of Georgiou is probably combined with recent knowledge and his past friendship; After Georgiou was apparently incorrectly reported as KIA, she turns up not dead and later he meets her in a black catsuit working with the underbelly of Starfleet. Combined with what he knows about her from the past, it allows for him to be, 'Wait, something seems fishy...'
Having them have past history together reinforces that suspicion Did they do it in an elegant way? Probably not; I don't think I would have made them academy friends, but it doesn't take me out of the story either. I'm fine with that because it makes his suspicion more grounded in the personal rather than in speculation about things he didn't witness.
I think its better than they are just grabbing known names and shoving them in the show without regard as to whether they fit or not.
Totally fair too. I don't mind squinting at DSC to make it fit, and I love the conversations that come with it.
I vehemently disagree with your opinion. It's solid canon that Dax's first host was Whorfin and that Kathryn Janeway was born in 2344.
They'd be more surprised the doctor was 52. That look doesn't read as "52" in 2019. Might not even read as 62.
They'd be more surprised the doctor was 52. That look doesn't read as "52" in 2019. Might not even read as 62.
I've actually seen The Cage! Dr. Boyce looks older than my 80 year old step-father of today.
EDIT: Refreshed my memory by looking at a picture of him; Dr. Boyce looks the same age as my 80 year old step-father of tday.
According to who?
To be fair, Lorca seemed to worry about being discovered (as befits someone who'd already been involved in a conspiracy against a totalitarian government for years) while the Emperor, demonstrating the competence and thoughtfulness we've all come to expect from autocrats given their job solely because they were squirted out of the correct parents, walked on to the Discovery's bridge with a wildly implausible story right after they left the universe of the doppelgängers and immediately began acting like a huge racist, and expected no one would suspect her of anything odd.
There was a chapel (and I'm not talking about the nurse) on the original Enterprise. See "Balance of Terror".
Roddenberry.
This x1000.
Ummm... the Temporal War from "Storm Front" F'd the Prime universe up royally, and Disco is the result.
So, an in-universe reboot except it's overwritten the original (after all, the producers assure us it's PRIME) instead of branched off like Kelvin did
Speaking for myself, I'd be far more alert to changes of character in coworkers of the old office I worked in 6 years ago as opposed to changes in classmates I haven't seen since 20 years ago. That's probably why this whole idea of Pike presumably deducing the replacement of classmate Georgiou he last worked with 30 years ago isn't flying for me.
When? Which episode of TOS? The one where Uhura mentions Jesus or the one where Kirk mentions his singular god?
People change a lot in decades. Who would have thought the same filmmaker responsible for one of the darkest sci-fi movies in history, with hands cut off, torture scenes, and a man being brutally frozen alive while his girlfriend is forced to watch, weeping, would give us Jar Jar Binks?
Besides, if what I think is true, we're in for a great scene between Michelle Yeoh and Anson Mount--
Mirror Georgiou: Chris, how could you arrest me? Don't you remember all the good times we had at the Academy together?
Pike: Except we never went to the Academy together, I'm not even your age! Spock here closely followed his stepsister's trial, and confirmed Georgiou's death beyond any doubt. So I knew you were an impostor right from the start, and your acceptance of my false Academy story confirmed that.
Spock: As an ancestor of mine maintained, when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
Dr. Culber: Um, guys hello? I came back from the dead too!
Pike:
Spock: Fascinating.
Mirror Georgiou: So be it.
(breaks out of her handcuffs, and a vicious fight scene with the legendary Michelle Yeoh ensues)
Besides, if what I think is true, we're in for a great scene between Michelle Yeoh and Anson Mount--
Mirror Georgiou: Chris, how could you arrest me? Don't you remember all the good times we had at the Academy together?
Pike: Except we never went to the Academy together, I'm not even your age! Spock here closely followed his stepsister's trial, and confirmed Georgiou's death beyond any doubt. So I knew you were an impostor right from the start, and your acceptance of my false Academy story confirmed that.
Spock: As an ancestor of mine maintained, when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
Dr. Culber: Um, guys hello? I came back from the dead too!
Pike:
Spock: Fascinating.
Mirror Georgiou: So be it.
(breaks out of her handcuffs, and a vicious fight scene with the legendary Michelle Yeoh ensues)
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What I find interesting is Pike states she could drink them all under the table at the Academy, yet somehow that's not the kind of woman the MU Georiou is. Seems to me that would exactly be the way MU Georgiou acts is what a pro level drinker would grow up to become.
