THE ORVILLE S2, E7: "DEFLECTORS"
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TALIA: I mean, this has to be the most insane thing that's ever happened on this ship.
JOHN: One time I almost died 'cause I humped a statue.
GORDON: Isaac once cut my leg off.
JOHN: The captain and commander, they got put in a zoo.
GORDON: And Bortus almost crashed the ship 'cause of porn.
TALIA: I see.
JOHN: One time I almost died 'cause I humped a statue.
GORDON: Isaac once cut my leg off.
JOHN: The captain and commander, they got put in a zoo.
GORDON: And Bortus almost crashed the ship 'cause of porn.
TALIA: I see.
That exchange killed me!
That was one of the best scenes of the episode. It was a perfect example of a good use of humor in a serious episode.
The thing is that the Orville constantly inteferes with other cultures every episode. There's no difference between Klyden and the Astrology aliens--especially since he has threatened a member of the crew.
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The difference is that the Moclans are a part of the Planetary Union, the astrology aliens were yet to be inducted.
Yeah, that was a great scene. All of this kind of makes me wonder what life is like on other Union ships.
This was a great episode, none of it played out the way I expected. I'm straight, so I can't judge from personal experience, but to me at least, this seemed to be a better take on what gay people go through than any of Trek's attempts. As good as these Moclan episodes have been, I kind of hope they take a break from them for a while and explore some other cultures, like the Kaylon, or a look at the Xelayan culture from Talia's perspective. Her whole family is in the military, so that must give them and her a different perspective on things than Alara's family had.
This one was a nice showcase for Jessica Szohr.
After all of the stuff we've seen Klyden do and say throughout the series, there was a couple minutes where I thought he might have actually done it.
I'm another one starting to question how much longer Bortus and Klyden are going to last, they do seem to be having more and more serious issues as the series is going on.
Yeah, he might not be a good person to us, but from a Moclan point of view, he's probably a better person than Bortus is.
This was a great episode, none of it played out the way I expected. I'm straight, so I can't judge from personal experience, but to me at least, this seemed to be a better take on what gay people go through than any of Trek's attempts. As good as these Moclan episodes have been, I kind of hope they take a break from them for a while and explore some other cultures, like the Kaylon, or a look at the Xelayan culture from Talia's perspective. Her whole family is in the military, so that must give them and her a different perspective on things than Alara's family had.
This one was a nice showcase for Jessica Szohr.
After all of the stuff we've seen Klyden do and say throughout the series, there was a couple minutes where I thought he might have actually done it.
I'm another one starting to question how much longer Bortus and Klyden are going to last, they do seem to be having more and more serious issues as the series is going on.
I liked this one. Many of the things I liked have already been covered, so I won't rehash.
I'm intrigued by the implication that the Moclans may not last in the Union. Trek generally implied that all cultures and societies can get along, but that often seemed to be based on the assumption that all cultures and societies would eventually come to agree with the vaguely leftist liberal (by our standards) ideals of the Federation. Having to live alongside allies and members that have fundamentally different values was rarely explored.
Orville isn't acting like civil war is about to break out or anything, but I like that they acknowledge that there are genuine tensions between members, and more importantly, that these aren't necessarily something that can be overcome.
I'd love to see future episodes where the Moclans leave the Union and become, if not actual enemies, then at least rivals.
I'm intrigued by the implication that the Moclans may not last in the Union. Trek generally implied that all cultures and societies can get along, but that often seemed to be based on the assumption that all cultures and societies would eventually come to agree with the vaguely leftist liberal (by our standards) ideals of the Federation. Having to live alongside allies and members that have fundamentally different values was rarely explored.
Orville isn't acting like civil war is about to break out or anything, but I like that they acknowledge that there are genuine tensions between members, and more importantly, that these aren't necessarily something that can be overcome.
I'd love to see future episodes where the Moclans leave the Union and become, if not actual enemies, then at least rivals.
While there have been a lot of great episodes this season, they are not at all what I was expecting from the way they promoted it. They kept going on about how much bigger and more epic this season was going to be, but so far the majority of them have been quiter, more subtle character based stories. Which is not a bad thing, it just almost feels a bit like false advertising.
Great episode. It sure threw me for a loop with it's twists which I wasn't expecting at all.
Man, they're really firing on all cylinders this season. Putting not just one but two issues into one episode. I'm also in the "Loved Talla in this one" camp abeit I briefly wondered if this episode was written with Alara in mind or not and how different it would have been with her.
The episodes could be three hours long and I still would not be bored. I love being in this world. I have no idea how to survive a whole year till next season. We need novels, comics, anything to pull us through.
But guys, I am missing a scene from the trailer. When Ed says "Uhm". They're in his office, and Kelly is standing left on the book case while in the scene we got she is standing right. I wonder what this scene might have been about? Seems to be a comical one and they probably cut it as it did not fit in. It was well cut in the trailer having the "Uhm" right after Talla"s "This must be the weirdest thing that's ever happened on this ship", even if they are different scenes.
I did also wonder whether it is really wise to have a deflector's test with 300 people on board? I mean, what if they had done the calibrations wrong? Somehow it reminded me of the old picture of the guy with a safety vest and someone shooting a gun at him. Surely there must be better ways?
The episodes could be three hours long and I still would not be bored. I love being in this world. I have no idea how to survive a whole year till next season. We need novels, comics, anything to pull us through.
But guys, I am missing a scene from the trailer. When Ed says "Uhm". They're in his office, and Kelly is standing left on the book case while in the scene we got she is standing right. I wonder what this scene might have been about? Seems to be a comical one and they probably cut it as it did not fit in. It was well cut in the trailer having the "Uhm" right after Talla"s "This must be the weirdest thing that's ever happened on this ship", even if they are different scenes.
I did also wonder whether it is really wise to have a deflector's test with 300 people on board? I mean, what if they had done the calibrations wrong? Somehow it reminded me of the old picture of the guy with a safety vest and someone shooting a gun at him. Surely there must be better ways?
Yeah, I was wondering why they didn't do simulated hits instead of real ones. Surely, the computer could simulate hits and calculate the effect on the new deflector configuration?
While I loved this episode, I can understand that an allegorical look into "the closet" is a bit dated now, while it would have been cutting edge 20 years ago. I mean, people critiqued friggin Bohemian Rhapsody because Freddy Mercury wasn't comfortable in his own sexuality - never mind it was the 1970s/1980s, and presentism shouldn't apply.
That said, the story worked - for me, because the main characters in the A plot (Talia, Bortus, Klyven, and Lokar) all were believable flawed characters who were in some senses trapped along the trajectory of the story by the decisions that duty, culture, or identity slotted them into.
Frankly, it succeed in being something I don't think Trek has ever accomplished - a successful tragedy.
That said, the story worked - for me, because the main characters in the A plot (Talia, Bortus, Klyven, and Lokar) all were believable flawed characters who were in some senses trapped along the trajectory of the story by the decisions that duty, culture, or identity slotted them into.
Frankly, it succeed in being something I don't think Trek has ever accomplished - a successful tragedy.
The web says it's Talla.
It's not dated though. There are still countries where it's the official law that gay people get put into prison or even killed. It's very recent.
I just checked IMDB to make sure I got it right!
And poor Bortus also gets spelled as Bortis or Bortas everywhere
That exchange killed me!
Gordon on the bridge making guesses about Moclan culture was even better, though.
I have to agree. I love Stamets and Culber on Discovery - the inclusion of gay characters in Star Trek was long overdue - but the way NV seemed to be trying all at once to make up for several decades' worth of a serious lack of LGBT representation felt a little strange/forced.
Anyway, Klyden is a p.o.s. But once he was revealed as the killer and there were like fifteen minutes left in the episode, I mostly managed to figure out what had really happened, though I didn't guess that Lokar was actually still alive.
"City On The Edge Of Forever."
I forgot to mention it in my other post, but I did wonder when the test of the deflectors started if it was going to turn out Lokar was sabotaging the ship and the battle was going to be real. I got especially suspicious when the Moclans fired the torpedo at them.
One other thing I thought was interesting was how similar the shape of the Moclan was to The Orville. Kind of makes wonder if the Moclans had some influence on the design of the Union Fleet ships.
One other thing I thought was interesting was how similar the shape of the Moclan was to The Orville. Kind of makes wonder if the Moclans had some influence on the design of the Union Fleet ships.
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