He's the same character is the most basic and important sense.
Could this be set in the Kelvin timeline?
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Then he's not the same character.
He's the same in all the ways it matters.
You keep telling yourself that, as you continue to whittle away the things of the past that are no longer acceptable, like referring to women as girls.
Yes, I agree that he is, but it's been 3 years since 'The Cage'. He's not entirely the same person anymore. A lot can change in that time period.
Visually speaking it fits in with the Kelvin timeline except for Vulcan being destroyed. What they could do is say it's part of the Kelvin timeline up until where Vulcan gets sucked into the black hole at which point another universe was created where Vulcan was not destroyed. STD could be part of that new timeline.
They won't do that, stop dreaming.
Seems like a lot of work instead of saying "reboot".
There's another Midnight's Edge video making the rounds about how the "Prime" isn't really the "Prime," citing some mixture of fact and fiction about the IP rights and ... I just need a drink. I just wish these people could find some other way to bring what passes for joy into their lives.
I just blocked their channel on youtube, so the only way I can see it now is if someone shares it somewhere.
They've ignored and changed so much. It's easier to count thing things that haven't changed, like....
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Just like the blinky buttons on ship's consoles, the sexism in Star Trek is there not because the show was about that but because it was the time when blinky lights were futuristic, and being mildly to moderately sexist was normal.
And just like the visuals, the social attitudes likewise should and have been updated to fit something made today.
It's a big universe, and an ongoing work of fiction and as such it has the luxury to fix the mistakes of the past, so frankly I find the requirement that it absolutely must perpetuate all the bad stuff instead of fixing it in order to be considered the same universe kinda ludicrous.
Can you see Spock joking about rape in the TOS films, or in TNG, like he did in The Enemy Within?
That doesn't make him an alternate version.
You have 79 episodes of the original show setting right in the middle of the Prime timeline, they are kinda hard to ignore.
This. There are a lot of assumptions that have been made over the past 50 years regarding Star Trek that updating is inevitable. And, in point of fact, apart of the art form.It's a big universe, and an ongoing work of fiction and as such it has the luxury to fix the mistakes of the past, so frankly I find the requirement that it absolutely must perpetuate all the bad stuff instead of fixing it in order to be considered the same universe kinda ludicrous.
I don't need long convoluted explanations for why they are the same. It's an update to the visuals because 2017.
Not to belabor the point (this poor horse) but TMP demonstrates that in 3 years (approx.) the ship can be reworked and uniforms change.
Just like GR and TMP, this is an update to the art form, not the world itself.
You mean an older more refined version of the character? No. But that is obviously something that is part of younger Spock's character. Not something that can really be ignored. At some point, this Spock is going to make fun of Janice Rand almost getting raped by duplicate Kirk.
I'm talking about characters here.
I never liked seeing Kirk in "our" 1986, what with the Whale Probe.
To me--the TOS Prime history was one where Apollo was never killed and we developed more quickly than we actually did.
Ringships first--a more gradual process.
In First Contact Cochrane was an Earther who jump started twin nacelles early on--but only after a nuclear war.
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