Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x03 - "Point of Light"

[Succubint]

I do seem to recall rumours that Patrick Stewart wanted Picard to be more action pew pew badass than he was allowed to be. Also more of a ladies man. I have no quotes to back that up, however. But if true, people may be making some wrong assumptions as to what the new Picard series might look like if Patrick has more creative control.

That said, a lot can happen in a couple of decades, minds can change. I'd be happier, though, if he was looking for a send off which was more introspective and bittersweet.

As for PoL, I would be fine with L'Rell's and Tyler's baby growing up to one day be the grudge-holding infamous "Albino". It has a certain kind of poetry and symmetry to it as an idea.

 

[Mr Awe]

I just hope they don't fall into the same trap they did during the first half of season one. Whenever the Starfleet stuff started getting interesting, they would shift to the Klingons and totally kill whatever interest I had.

I too hope they stick to the Starfleet stuff. Hopefully getting Ash out of there reflects that. Fingers crossed!

 

[Tuskin38]

We know Ash ends up on Discovery at some point because of the trailers.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I do seem to recall rumours that Patrick Stewart wanted Picard to be more action pew pew badass than he was allowed to be.

Yeah, I heard that too. Things like the Argo scene in Nemesis - that was his idea. (He even did his own driving during that scene.)

 

[DigificWriter]

Because Spock was her "shadow", Burnham was afraid that he would be hurt if the logic extremists made future attempts on her life, which would in turn hurt Amanda and Sarek, so she did or said something that caused Spock to withdraw into himself and pull away from both her and Amanda (althoufh I don't think the latter consequence is something she intended).

 

[Tuskin38]

The Risa episode in TNG was also created because Patrick wanted more 'action'.

 

[Jadeb]

It is, but I think the Picard Series is going to be higher profile than Discovery. I say this as someone who's decidedly NOT a TNGer. All my friends who are Star Trek fans are super-excited about the Picard Series. If Worf looks like a Disco Klingon, their reaction is going to be "What the Hell is this?!" That's just being realistic.

Most of them haven't watched DSC, most of them didn't watch ENT, some of them watched DS9 and VOY but not always the whole thing. They treat the Abrams Films like Summer Blockbuster Comic Book Movies. Just another film they went to go see during a given summer. As far as TOS: let's just say I don't see eye-to-eye with many of them. In several cases, we've had to agree to disagree. Though I do have some friends who are TOS Fans, most of them aren't. To them, Star Trek is TNG. Period, basically. And I think the Picard Series is nostalgia bait to get them to start subscribing to CBS All Access. If it is nostalgia bait, then I think they want to play to that nostalgia, not against it.

I would be interested to see this blowback. They’re going to modernize it — I don’t see how they can’t. The question is how much.

I agree there are probably more people to be outraged about TNG than there are TOS diehards. Will the showrunners give in to that? If so, wouldn’t it put the lie to all the lines they’ve been feeding us re: Discovery’s relationship to TOS designs?

Personally, I’m fine with them treating TNG the same way they have TOS — loose inspiration, with a few familiar details.

I won’t be surprised if old Worf ends up “battle damaged” so they can modernize the makeup.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I noticed a couple things in this episode, Kol's father didn't have the same head ridgeds as him. Maybe age changed them

And L'Rell seems to be pushing for uniformity between the Klingon houses, which almost seems to be against what T'Kuvma was preaching. She wanted Kol-sha to remove the paint that made his house unique.

I'm seeing a slight resemblance between Kol-sha's look and Kor's in DS9.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I think they're the same ridges. It's just Kol-sha's hair that's the problem.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

... I say this as someone who's decidedly NOT a TNGer. All my friends who are Star Trek fans are super-excited about the Picard Series. If Worf looks like a Disco Klingon, their reaction is going to be "What the Hell is this?!" That's just being realistic....

Nobody seemed up in arms when Koloth, Kor, and Kang -- who originally appeared smooth-headed in TOS -- showed up on DS9 as ridge-headed without any explanation as to why.

The explanation didn't come for fans until 11 years after those DS9 episodes, but people seemed OK with it until then. In fact, I could argue that the explanation was more "What the Hell-inducing" than the fact they didn't explain why Klingons looked different after TOS.

Maybe your friends would be just as OK with the change in makeup for post-TOS Klingons as the rest of us TOS fans were when TMP (then TNG) came out -- a change that happened without an explanation at the time, which was fine since most of us didn't require one.

 

[Vger23]

One thing I can say on a related note: Kenneth Mitchell really understands how to play an a-hole Klingon.

 

[Lord Garth]

Nobody seemed up in arms when Koloth, Kor, and Kang -- who originally appeared smooth-headed in TOS -- showed up on DS9 as ridge-headed without any explanation as to why.

The explanation didn't come for fans until 11 years after those DS9 episodes, but people seemed OK with it until then. In fact, I could argue that the explanation was more "What the Hell-inducing" than the fact they didn't explain why Klingons looked different after TOS.

Maybe your friends would be just as OK with the change in makeup for post-TOS Klingons as the rest of us TOS fans were when TMP (then TNG) came out -- a change that happened without an explanation at the time, which was fine since most of us didn't require one.

I'm just glad it won't take long to see how things will ultimately crystallize for CBSAA's versions of the "TOS" and "TNG" Eras.

 

[Greg Cox]

Heck, we didn't get an "explanation" for the new Klingons until twenty-five years after TMP, yet somehow we survived.

I keep joking: Don't like the DISCO Klingons? Just be patient. Maybe you'll get an explanation in 2042.

 

[oberth]

Heck, we didn't get an "explanation" for the new Klingons until twenty-five years after TMP, yet somehow we survived.

I keep joking: Don't like the DISCO Klingons? Just be patient. Maybe you'll get an explanation in 2042.

don't forget to figure in inflation - 2048

 

[Vger23]

Heck, we didn't get an "explanation" for the new Klingons until twenty-five years after TMP, yet somehow we survived.

I keep joking: Don't like the DISCO Klingons? Just be patient. Maybe you'll get an explanation in 2042.

They'll change 3 more times before then (easily)!!

 

[Lord Garth]

The only two problems I had with the Klingons in DSC S1 were the lack of hair on all of them and the necks. Now it's just the necks. It's never been a deal-breaker, but I'd love it the Disco Klingons all got neck lifts.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

Arne Darvin seems the most unlikely Klingon ever. It's like he's channelling Woody Allen from Casino Royale.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Heck, we didn't get an "explanation" for the new Klingons until twenty-five years after TMP, yet somehow we survived.

I keep joking: Don't like the DISCO Klingons? Just be patient. Maybe you'll get an explanation in 2042.

I'm with you on that!

However, I picked the DS9 non-explanation for Kang, Koloth, and Kor specifically because they, as individuals, appeared as both smooth-headed and ridged. They were three individual characters whose makeup changed without explanation, not just a general race.

 

[Vger23]

Arne Darvin seems the most unlikely Klingon ever. It's like he's channelling Woody Allen from Casino Royale.

S2 Klingons, with the exception of Korax, all seem pretty weak.

Hi there...I'm very calm.

I look like your Uncle Randolph

The only thing more impressive than my widow's peak is my cordial sense of gentlemanliness.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

From the episode, "Choose Your Pate".