I think they'll avoid any issues, just wondering how far they'll go. I imagine the movie Fremen will lose most of their Middle Eastern/North African influences. Can't imagine something like 'Mahdi' making the cut. Going for Bardem seems like a shrewd move.
Dune 2018 (19,20,21...)
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I think they'll avoid any issues, just wondering how far they'll go. I imagine the movie Fremen will lose most of their Middle Eastern/North African influences. Can't imagine something like 'Mahdi' making the cut. Going for Bardem seems like a shrewd move.
Unfortunate if they lose those aspects. Missing the point of the book.
I think they’ll at least lose most of the Fremen language. We’ll have to see. I guess we’ll also have to see exactly what kind of point the film wants to make, if any.
That guy had to have been a troll since he acted like he didn't even know Lord of the Rings was a novel trilogy.
I think Herbert did a great job of coasting the way Jihad can be interpreted. From the real cultural destruction of teleological born fear of AI systems that led to the Butlerian Jihad, to Paul's internal journey inspired by his own father's spiritual sense of duty and the numerous characters that played out the spaces between like the Bene Gesserit and their eugenics program and the Harkonen's utitilarian and decadent might serves pure Id, the first book, at least, showed a lot of ways Jihad can be interpreted. Paul's victory sides with the internal struggle but that to can be a source of evil as seen in his sister.
I wonder if P and the B are aware that Dune is not a straightforward hero's journey tale. It worries me that Villeneuve might be led astray by them. Of course, he and the studio will want the film to be successful so there will be pressure to water things down (sic).
May your knife chip and shatter.
Lol. I walk without rhythm yet I'd still attract the worm.
No bet.
I sincerely hope that this Dune adaptation keeps the middle eastern influenced Fremen as well as all other cultural references as much as possible, it is their heritage after all.
I also hope we will see some truly kickass Fremen vs Sardaukar martial arts that will set a new reference for movie hand to hand combat
I also hope we will see some truly kickass Fremen vs Sardaukar martial arts that will set a new reference for movie hand to hand combat
Personally, I like how cosmopolitan the Dune universe is. Despite current political pressures I think that the Dune world is far enough removed that such references as Jihad might, and the Zensunni origins of the Fremen, are able to survive.
Question is how do you package this and not trigger people when they hear Jihad (which of course has a completely different meaning than Muslim crusade against all non-believers). People nowadays just hear some keywords and go off and i fear this may happen here too and the movie may not have the time to start explaining in universe history and sociology.
I hope they find an easy solution but i fear they may drop such details for ease of storytelling.
It will happen regardless (see my Two Towers example above). Whether the production team can stomach it is another story.
Well, most of the Iberian Penninsula was once the Caliphate of Córdoba. So, progress?
Seems like a different kettle of fish though. Are you talking about the Butlerian Jihad or Paul’s jihad?
I really don't see what all the fuss is about. The word jihad appears like a dozen or so times throughout the whole book. It's not really central to the plot and mostly only dropped in passing. And even if it was, so what? I don't get how this is such a sensitive subject. I mean no more than the word "crusade", which really has *way* more historical baggage attached.
Neither. I'm talking about the fear of words in presenting the material. Rather than allowing the material to stand on its own, good, bad or indifferent, there is the assumption that the original material needs "watering down" by changing Fremen history and identity.
But we were talking about the word 'jihad'. Seems there's a vast difference between those two contexts.
I'd see it more as a shift than a watering down, which would have to happen for a movie in any case. It's always going to be an adaptation rather than a straight page-to-screen, and the world is simply a different place than it was in 1965 (or September 10th, 2001). Obviously I don't know, but I imagine they'll tone down some stuff with the Baron for the same reason.
From what I remember of the book, I don't see where it would be that much of a problem to just change the word Jihad to something with less baggage. Unless they want to actually want to address that and leave it in on purpose as a way to challenge people who have a problem with it.
