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Spoilers The Flash - Season 5

Of course, Grace is a meta.

I'm getting the feeling someone is controlling or influencing them both.

When it turned out the memory of future Iris with a young Nora was the fake one, Barry should have been concerned about the Reverse Flash suit as it clearly meant something to Nora.... I noticed Barry didn't seem to buy Nora's explanation in the end...

However, I suspect it's more than her dealing with Reverse Flash.
 
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My own thinking is that somehow Grace is affecting Cicada's behavior and that they are connected somehow, but once again, the only think that mattered to me was the Nora storyline, and what her deal really is.

What made little sense though is that they seem to have said that Nora's memory is also changed by Nora's actions in her past. Did that happen when Barry created Flashpoint, and if it did, why would Barry have even KNOWN to try to change things back?

I always figured that Nora remembered her own life.

Iris' line was contradicted later in the episode when Nora showed her the established date of the Central City Citizen. First, why would the date change in front of them? Shouldn't it have been instantaneous? And if Nora is affected by historical changes, then she shouldn't have remembered the 2021 date.
 
As absolutely annoying as Cicada is, team Flash acting stupid and failing to defeat him doesn't bother me as much. It's not as bad as whole seasons where Barry's high-level stupidity created the season. The Thinker was good because it accidentally addressed that. Plus, the show still opens with the tag line “Me and my family make the universe worse the more we mess with it, so let us mess a little more to fix it”. I am kind of glad whenever they are back to low-level mistakes like forgetting to punch Cicada in the split second the crazy writing has given them, and not the big monumental ones where they forget to think for five seconds and screw the whole timeline. It kind of feels right when I just created big messes at my own job by punching the wrong key. Again.

Bad news is, they might be back to high-level mistakes again. Forcing Cicada to take the meta-human cure, helping create the real Cicada (his daughter) who they were never able to catch? I can totally see that one coming. And at least that one's going to be debated – Cisco and Caitlin aren't going to rubber stamp it – but I smell team Flash is going to rush something much larger and much more stupid. When all they have to do is not forget to punch the guy... once.

I wonder if the big mess-up is going to be something in killing baby Hitler¹ territory, after Nora finally speaks? Barry and Iris saw the future report – which Nora had obviously been hiding from him – and now know there's some issue with Cicada's identity, and that their daughter knew about it (and Cicada's original identity). Barry seems to be too powered by rage to see what it actually meant though, as he's ready to rush into shady territory despite just hearing that catching the father doesn't stop Cicada.

Cicada's whole interesting part was being elusive, and I could see not seeing his daughter as the way they were never caught in the original timeline. So he/she might not be as bad a villain as he seems so far even if they are both one-note, even now when he's been fully exposed, because of potentially missing the daughter factor. And it will be a genuine tough mess to untangle when all – particularly Nora's involvement – is uncovered. What do you do if you caught the guy, yet Cicada still resurfaces in the future, but you learn Eobard Thawne is helping you? There's 3.4% chance this gets interesting. There's 89.3% chance team Flash does something monumentally stupid to make it un-interesting again.

¹ Metaphorically speaking. Flash obviously doesn't kill, even when someone is posing imminent danger and is going to kill dozens, and the writers deliberately forced the situation to show how good Flash is by not killing, while accidentally sending the wrong message that not killing costs lives. Maybe killing Hitler would involve... rushing and forcing the cure on the Grace – while still in coma – with the added excuse that it ‘will’ help them break her out of the coma, and that backfiring spectacularly?
 
It occurred to me to wonder if maybe Grace has been the one psychically driving Orlin and Ambres to their hatred of metas all along -- if she's the real Cicada, the real mass murderer. But that seems way too dark for this show.
 
Christopher said:
It occurred to me to wonder if maybe Grace has been the one psychically driving Orlin and Ambres to their hatred of metas all along -- if she's the real Cicada, the real mass murderer. But that seems way too dark for this show.
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Too dark, but oddly consistent with everything we've seen so far. And would be an interesting counter-part to Barry and Iris's own daughter working with Thawne.
 
Another thing about Cicada is that if the memories included the changes Nora made in the timeline, then that means that Nora grew up in a world where they knew exactly who Cicada was.
 
And what was up with that comic book in the flash museum store? Who was that guy with Flash and Cicada on the book?I didn't recognize him.
 
YellowSubmarine said:
Bad news is, they might be back to high-level mistakes again. Forcing Cicada to take the meta-human cure, helping create the real Cicada (his daughter) who they were never able to catch? I can totally see that one coming. And at least that one's going to be debated – Cisco and Caitlin aren't going to rubber stamp it – but I smell team Flash is going to rush something much larger and much more stupid. When all they have to do is not forget to punch the guy... once.
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Just an FYI, it's his niece, not his daughter.
 
I just realized this "physic" bond may explain why he seems so attached to someone he didn't seem to know for that long.
 
It'd make sense, as the girl is the one with real pain, with losing her parents and her injury at the fair. Grace wasn't with Orlin that long. I thought it was a bit odd when we first saw the backstory of Orlin and it was apparent Grace wasn't living with Orlin that long.
 
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I just realized this "physic" bond may explain why he seems so attached to someone he didn't seem to know for that long.
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I think that was adequately explained by the flashback episode that showed Dwyer's history with Grace, how he started out a reluctant guardian but grew to love her. All of that was before she was struck by dark matter.
 
Wait. i wonder if the reason Cicada/Dwyer was never caught was because CCPD and Team Flash was around Grace.....?
 
Finn said:
Wait. i wonder if the reason Cicada/Dwyer was never caught was because CCPD and Team Flash was around Grace.....?
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I think the implication is more that the Cicada who "returned" years later was actually the grown-up Grace following in her father's footsteps, and the authorities never put it together that they weren't the same person.
 
Better than last week's but still meh.

I thought Ralph taking Cisco out for a night on the town was quite the tension deflator. It wasn't clear that Cisco was having trouble, so the whole time, I'm "Ralph, Cisco REALLY should be working on that cure... not getting a date." If they had front loaded it with Cisco stressed because he can't figure out this ONE problem...

Also, I totally don't understand stakes when it's, "Hey, we have this solution to the problem of this killer, but, you know, it can totally wait until tomorrow." Again, if maybe everyone was exhausted and it was clear they NEEDED to wait... but, everyone had just been skating around, having game night...

It was interesting to see that Grace is perhaps behind it all, that she's the one pushing the murdering, that's pretty dark, and an interesting step.

I'm more than a little disappointed we still haven't moved farther forward in this whole Nora lying to her parents, she's got secrets thing. I really wanted it to be revealed last night, rather than kicked down the road more. Like, being in her memories would have been a great time to discover it, have Barry and Iris learn some truths.

But... no.

I do like that the memories weren't facts. That memories are not reliable. I thought that was cool.

I'm looking forward to the end of this season.
 
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