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50th Anniversary Rewatch Thread

I think you mean emigration.
Yep.
One of the many logic flaws of the episode...having Odona serve as Typhoid Mary wasn’t their original plan.
I guess they needed a martyr (young, beautiful daughter of the leader of their government) to inspire the masses to commit suicide by virus. Showing her cured is sending the wrong message. Put the first pilot show in the can. Remake the pilot show with martyr #2.
 
One of the many logic flaws of the episode...having Odona serve as Typhoid Mary wasn’t their original plan. Once she was infected they kept her in isolation on Fake Enterprise. They intended for Kirk to stay with them to continue providing the disease.

I think that can actually be explained away by close scrutiny of the dialogue, but agreed that this one needed one more rewrite for sure. It's still worthwhile.
 
Yep.

I guess they needed a martyr (young, beautiful daughter of the leader of their government) to inspire the masses to commit suicide by virus. Showing her cured is sending the wrong message. Put the first pilot show in the can. Remake the pilot show with martyr #2.

Exactly. I believe she was supposed to die and Kirk was supposed to live as a source of the virus.
 
When people talk about how progressive Star Trek was, they always mention stuff like the kiss in Plato's Stepchildren, or the not so subtle "racism is bad" of Let That Be Your Last Battlefield, but this one often gets left out even though it is openly talking about birth control, which is weirdly still a taboo for some people, and then there's also...

"Yet you can kill a young girl."

I very much doubt this was actually intended, but if you take that conversation between Krik and Hodin out of context, Kirk is essentially arguing pro-choice there. That short exchange highlights the hypocrisy of protecting life from conception, when young women are forced to die as a result, here because of a "lack of space", but in the real world from the lack of availability of legal and safe abortion.

Again, I don't think this was consciously written in, indeed it does seem like just a side effect of a poorly thought out take on the dangers of overpopulation, but it is a possible reading of material, and for all the flak I've given Star Trek for being inadvertently sexist, I feel it needs to be mentioned when it's inadvertently pro women's rights as well.

On a little less serious note, I'm headcanoning that this is actually a prequel to Logan's Run, for a while the kids on Gideon were volunteering to die, and then at some point it becomes mandatory... :evil:

Also, Kirk apparently had a case of the Vegans, but got better. So eat your meats kids! ;)
Watching it this time I got a definite abortion debate vibe during Kirk's talk with Hodin.
 
Often it seems that when an intelligent idea pops up in Trek, many fans figure it was somehow an accident. Like Bele and his evolution remark. We may have developed a tendency to expect little from TV, but Trek is different. The older I get, the more I'm impressed at the thought put into the program, and that very much includes episodes not thought of highly by fans. It's a damn smart show. Those ideas are there on purpose.
 
I'm reluctant to give credit for intent because to the best of my knowledge nobody is bragging about it being on purpose, and people involved with making Star Trek usually love to do that... ;)

GR, yes. Other people, not so much. And people stewarding S3? Not a chance.
 
Often it seems that when an intelligent idea pops up in Trek, many fans figure it was somehow an accident. Like Bele and his evolution remark. We may have developed a tendency to expect little from TV, but Trek is different. The older I get, the more I'm impressed at the thought put into the program, and that very much includes episodes not thought of highly by fans. It's a damn smart show. Those ideas are there on purpose.

I believe you're doing with the show what many people do with animals, you're anthropomorphizing it.
 
Well they were an isolated planet and there was mention of the system wars between planets from long ago that may have forced them to adopt a closed society thinking and it was still in effect?
I knew Odona was the Typhoid Mary but at the conclusion of the episode do you think they were still allowed to go ahead with their plan to murder their populace?
JB
 
Well they were an isolated planet and there was mention of the system wars between planets from long ago that may have forced them to adopt a closed society thinking and it was still in effect?
I knew Odona was the Typhoid Mary but at the conclusion of the episode do you think they were still allowed to go ahead with their plan to murder their populace?
JB
I have hope that Odona's eyes were opened to an other choice after she was inspired by Kirk, his Starship and the Federation. She might convince her father that the murder plan needs to be cancelled, and a new plan of emigration with the Federation's help would be a better choice.
 
I have hope that Odona's eyes were opened to an other choice after she was inspired by Kirk, his Starship and the Federation. She might convince her father that the murder plan needs to be cancelled, and a new plan of emigration with the Federation's help would be a better choice.

That would just lead to the Krogan Gideon Rebellions and the unleashing of the genophage by the Turians Section 31... ;)
 
Moving people from Gideon to other planets only solves the problem if they change their philosophy or they will just overpopulate every planet they live on.
 
I'm reluctant to give credit for intent because to the best of my knowledge nobody is bragging about it being on purpose, and people involved with making Star Trek usually love to do that... ;)
I'm sure no one notified them that some viewers thought their lines only accidentally had some meaning or apparent thought behind them... they probably figure the lines speak for themselves...
 
"That Which Survives", Episode 72, January 24th

Tonight's Episode: Ghost lady from a ghost planet plays a deadly game of tag with the crew of the Enterprise.
 
Moving people from Gideon to other planets only solves the problem if they change their philosophy or they will just overpopulate every planet they live on.
I thought the episode was a commentary on poor places in Africa where people kept having large families and refused contraception because of religious (Chistian) reasons.
 
I'm sure no one notified them that some viewers thought their lines only accidentally had some meaning or apparent thought behind them... they probably figure the lines speak for themselves...

But that's kinda my point, they do brag about the super obvious stuff, often and loudly. There's been hundreds of articles, documentaries and stuff about Star Trek over the years and I really don't recall anyone talking about this. :shrug:
 
I loved the technical tension about the ship accelerating to explosion with Scott and Spock trying to avoid the disaster. I'm a tech geek.

Just think of the wonderful technology the Federation will gain when they send research teams to study the Kalandan Outpost. :eek: Teleporting starships 900 light years! Solid Holograms without special rooms or even equipment! Advanced geophysical terraforming technology!...Nah, 100 years later in TNG there's none of it. Did Spock lose its address? :shrug:

It sounds that TNG retreaded the same story in The Last Outpost of the tKon Empire.
 
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