Spoilers Black Panther grade and discussion thread
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I think they should just make an "Audience" award category for the Oscars. Split the popular and critical movies. The Filmfare Awards in India do a similar thing and I think it's a good compromise. All of these movies that make big box office and audience acclaim can have a separate award.
Your lack of basic understanding and instant leap to an "-ist" based on so little criteria is kind of concerning.
We can revisit this if Black Panther 2-12 also get nominated.
Yep exactly. It was driven by external circumstances (his untimely death), the same way BP's nomination is influenced by it's monumental cultural impact. Both were strong cases made by the studios campaigning for them.
LOL. Oscars don't just pick movies as nominees. That's not how it works. Studios need to campaign for them the same way politicians campaign. This is the first time Marvel Studios went that extra mile and they launched an incredibly successful Oscar campaign for BP;
That's the biggest reason BP got the BP nomination.
They wanted to do this, but there was so much backlash that they canned the idea. Also, it's a bad idea. Popular movies are rewarded by being popular and making money.
If they do ever include Storm and showcase his son Azari. I would be happy to. Haha
Mad Max definitely deserved to be nominated, can't imagine why there would be outrage over that
Never saw the Martian.....
Mad Max and The Martian did not deserve to be Oscar nominated either. Nor did that pretentious drivel The Dark Knight but at least it wasn't a by the numbers superhero film so it had that going for it even if I personally found it dull. I will never understand the praise and popularity of Black Panther for as long as I live. I get that it resonated and was a big cultural event. I just don't know why since it wasn't a very good movie in my opinion. Does anyone truly believe it was better than Infinity War? If so, fair enough, but I can't agree.
YES, a pleasant little surprise to wake up to this morning. I would have loved to have seen Ryan Coogler get a nom for directing or even Adapted Screenplay, but considering that Best Director is THE snobbiest of all the major categories, I wasn't surprised he didn't get it. Also, glad that Kendrick Lamar's great song was recognized.
Presumably because of Black Panther's Best Pic nom, while TDK was snubbed.
I will be shocked if Roma doesn't win Best Picture, Best Cinematography, and probably Best Foreign Language film. It is truly a beautiful and heartfelt work. I didn't agree that his Gravity was worthy of Best Director, but after seeing Roma, it is clear to me that Cuaron is a MAJOR directing talent.
Yeah, you keep writing this and I keep wondering where you're getting this stuff. I've done a lot of reading about BP but I have yet to read anyone saying that the movie heralds "the next phase of the Civil Rights Movement". And even if someone did write this, it certainly is not a widely held belief. Actually, it sounds like something some a-hole alt-righter may have written to low key belittle the movie.
In terms of BP's long term affects, if any, I've read that the hope is that BP can be pointed to when studios are considering whether or not to bankroll a big budget movie with a cast consisting of all, or mostly, POC actors.
Really, who cares? If you want to believe that, fine. Considering how often minorities have been unfairly passed over for recognition in the film industry, the thought that some are questioning the "reasons" for BP's historic nomination, I give less than a damn about.
No it wasn't. Every year studios pour money into Oscar campaigns and it is still a hit or miss proposition. Academy members have a lot of reasons for voting for various movies, but studio hype is probably the least of them.
But I will say this, I think BP may have benefited some from people thinking it was better than it actually was because it was a superhero movie. For many, these types of movies just aren't supposed to be this great.
My dad, who is in his 70s and not a superhero movie fan, wanted to see Black Panther twice in the theater. He really, really enjoyed it. A lot of people really enjoyed it. It has high critical and audience scores. I enjoyed it. It's no surprise that many people think it is the best picture of 2018. Congrats to all involved for the nomination.
Being half black--and from a generation that knew the difference between a true/natural sociopolitical statement in filmed entertainment, and one that is more image intent (and/or external commentary telling you how great/important it is) than anything else, I did have not a bit of a problem of absorbing and observing the entire BP film experience with a view not shared by most media/politico mouthpieces and maintain my original point regarding that in the Message part of my review from 2/21/18.
But to your "you don't get to tell people.." point, its not about telling people--my people how to feel--its about the external players/manipulators: media mouthpieces and ideologues all fighting to-as usual--either define and crown, or dethrone an idea/emotion/meaning for black people, which is not doing any favors for black people and deserves (as always) a colossal "fuck off" mentality and response.
Personally, Black Panther--as noted above--questioned a long-lived issue, and was successful in its handling of that, but that did not make it some great, culturally revolutionary work of art nor did it make it worthy of being nominated for Best Picture.
Aside from its sociopolitical messages, did it (as questioned yesterday) make a major shift in the business and/or popular culture in the way of other fantasy BP nominees? Did it alter the perception of how great a fantasy movie can be? Is it the best representation of a fantasy film breaking its genre restraints to be a truly great film in the vein of the aforementioned Jaws, Star Wars or LOTR: The Return of the King?
Yeah, doesn't this pull the rug from under the idea that these films are selected due to some notion of quality based on a level playing field ?
That's never sat well with me...
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Jack Kirby's grandson released his grandfather's first sketch of the character that would eventually become the Black Panther. At this stage in his development, he was called the Coal Tiger.
https://comicbook.com/marvel/amp/2019/01/23/black-panther-jack-kirby-first-sketch-/
https://comicbook.com/marvel/amp/2019/01/23/black-panther-jack-kirby-first-sketch-/
Good to see that fascism is alive and well on the bbs. I thought it was just on the trek boards, but no.
A great deal better, in fact. Infinity War is barely a movie.
If fascism was alive and well on this BBS, you wouldn't be making smartass remarks to one of its supposed jackbooted thugs, you'd be cowering in fear. The very fact that you can make comments like that with impunity makes your remark look idiotic, childish, and the result of being sheltered by a privileged life. There's enough very real fascist shit going on in the world today that maybe you should get a little fucking perspective and save those kinds of labels for people that actually deserve it.
Ok, from now on mods will be spared such remarks. I will save them for administrators.
In all seriousness though, did you REALLY just give this kind of response to a fascism reference on the internet? Come on now, this isn't your first day on here. Godwin law and all that.