I thought Pike was only slightly older than Spock! No more than four or five years perhaps...
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Ethan Peck cast as DSC's Spock
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There's no proof of his age unless you want to use the actors.I thought Pike was only slightly older than Spock! No more than four or five years perhaps...
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Jeffery Hunter was 38 when he filmed the Cage and Leonard Nimoy was 33.
For Discovery, Anson Mount is 45 and Ethen Peck is 32.
But makeup now is better (or used differently) than in the 60s, so actors can be made to look older or younger than they actually are better than in the 60s.
Plus better eating and medical advances can change how people look.
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The casting of Bruce Greenwood as Pike complicated the question of his age, since the movie was set only 3 years later than "The Cage" but Greenwood was about 15 years older in 2009 than Hunter was in 1964. So there's about a 12-year discrepancy.
However, that could be resolved if you split the difference and assume Hunter was playing 6 years older and Greenwood was playing 6 years younger -- which would come out within a couple of years of Anson Mount's age.
However, that could be resolved if you split the difference and assume Hunter was playing 6 years older and Greenwood was playing 6 years younger -- which would come out within a couple of years of Anson Mount's age.
I was right about Hunter's and Nimoy's relative ages then!
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Pike being 38-40 in The Cage makes good sense story-wise, because he comes across as a seasoned and weary Captain.
Anson looks great for his age, and could easily be de-aged to play a 30 something Pike, just get rid of the grey. He looked like the Hunter Pike on Inhumans.
Wonder if they'll ever do a Cage flashback.
Jeffery Hunter Pike had some grey in his hair.
IDK - Pike had grey hair on the sides in some of 'The Cage' shots, and Spock was originally supposed to be a 'young hot head' officer who would end up being tempered and mentored by BOTH Pike and Number One.
I don't know. This was more a case of actors looking older or younger.
Like, Jeffrey Hunter looks younger than Mount. And Nimoy, as a chain-smoker, looked definitely older than he was. Wheras "Peck" looks positively young - I mean, he looks young enough that producers might cast him in a "Starfleet Academy" show as an 18 year old boy! He has a "Hollywood-college-student"-face. With these actors, the 13 year age gap between Peck and Mount looks IMO much more than the 5-year gap between Hunter and Nimoy.
I mean, this is stuff that's really easily forgiveable - it's much more important each actor gets the role "right". But it is something I noticed.
Except it was later established that Vulcans live much longer than humans. Besides, people in their 30s often don't look much different than they did in their 20s. Heck, people at my 20-year high school reunion told me I hadn't changed a bit. (Unfortunately, that's no longer the case a dozen years later.)
Yep, some gray. Hunter could easily be a 40 something Pike in the Cage.
Plus his acting style and voice gives him a more mature presence.
Crazy how different he was as Pike, compared to his more youthful performance in The Searchers.
He definitely had all the qualities to be a fantastic Captain.
Plus his acting style and voice gives him a more mature presence.
Crazy how different he was as Pike, compared to his more youthful performance in The Searchers.
He definitely had all the qualities to be a fantastic Captain.
Yes, but the Vulcan ageing means that the actor should look younger than the character's age would imply for a human. With the Cage Spock it is the reverse.
Nah, he was a bore. They really struck gold with Shatner, he is so much more enjoyable to watch.
Once they're in their 80s or something, sure, but at such a young age it shouldn't make any significant difference. It's not like every single stage of Vulcan aging is equally proportional to human aging, like they'd still look 17 at age 45 or something. From what we've seen, Vulcans grow to adulthood at roughly the same pace as humans, but then just stay in their prime several times as long.
Indeed. My one regret was not getting more of Pike in TOS. Kelvin Trek definitely scratched that itch and now we have Discovery. To me, Discovery is worth it just to have Pike and Number One again. Hoping we get some other cameos too.
Conversely, calling something a prequel to something else when it doesn’t actually meet the criteria and definition of the term is problematic as well and creates the same false narratives and expectations.
That's why I just watch the show and not worry about the details and labels.
Does it take place prior to a previous installment?
If the answer is "yes". It's a prequel.
NuBSG took place 150,000 years before BSG. But it’s not a prequel to BSG.
Nor did the people making it intend it to be. So not a valid rebuttal.
Though with the line "This has all happened before and will all happen again" it could be.
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