Apollo and "the one"

[johnnybear]

About Apollo impregnating Lt.Carolyn Palamas in the original script, that is true as James Blish left it in his story for Star Trek #7! So knowing that he wrote his novels from the scripts and not from watching them on television we assume that was the intent!
JB

 

[JonnyQuest037]

This is a detail not really reported anywhere, at least not in "official" sources i've seen.

I'll see if I can dig up the actual issue now that I'm home from the Christmas holiday and can quote from it directly.

 

[Maurice]

I'll see if I can dig up the actual issue now that I'm home from the Christmas holiday and can quote from it directly.

At least from Nimoy’s POV. Gene could well have been anti-semitic or he could have just been clueless and said crap he thought was funny, as a lot of people do.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

At least from Nimoy’s POV. Gene could well have been anti-semitic or he could have just been clueless and said crap he thought was funny, as a lot of people do.

Oh, certainly. I didn't mean to imply that Nimoy's opinion should be the last word on the subject, and I hope I didn't give that impression.

And, crap. I just checked in the spare bedroom where I thought I had my back issues of Sci-Fi Universe, and they aren't where I thought they'd be. So it'll be a while longer before I can dig that issue up. IIRC, it's the issue with George Clooney on the cover for From Dusk Til Dawn.

 

[Tim Thomason]

Probably "Altared States," which was a thinly-disguised riff on Abraham's near-sacrifice of Isaac. As I recall, the God-like voice telling the Abraham character to sacrifice his son turned out to a hoax perpetuated by a bad guy for some reason. And he would have gotten away with it too, if not for that meddling Warrior Princess!

And that bad guy, Mael, was played by Karl Urban, in his first Xenaverse role.

 

[Phaser Two]

Nimoy responded that Gene was anti-Semitic, clearly.

Wait, what?? Was Nimoy joking?

 

[Tim Thomason]

Wait, what?? Was Nimoy joking?

Here's an article from The Jewish Journal that contains the quote where Nimoy calls Roddenberry anti-semitic and takes a general look at Roddenberry's relationship with his many Jewish associates.

 

[plynch]

Article quotes Star Trsk historian Marc Cushman.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Here's an article from The Jewish Journal that contains the quote where Nimoy calls Roddenberry anti-semitic and takes a general look at Roddenberry's relationship with his many Jewish associates.

THANK you, Tim! Sheldon Teitelbaum was the fellow who did the Sci-Fi Universe interview with Nimoy that I was remembering. The quotes from Nimoy are the same.

Article quotes Star Trsk historian Marc Cushman.

It also quotes Nimoy, Roddenberry, Harve Bennett, and Michael Piller. Teitelbaum also makes reference to speaking with Brannon Bragga [sic] and Armin Shimmerman [sic]. Are we supposed to discount the entire thing just because he also makes a passing reference to something Cushman wrote regarding Shimon Wincelberg, a man who passed away in 2004, 11 years before the article was written?

Look, just because Cushman wrote a sloppily-researched book that drew some faulty conclusions, it doesn't immediately follow that every single thing in his book is wrong. If he had a relevant quote in his book from someone who'd since passed away that came in handy for something I was writing, I might very well quote him, too (After doing my best to independently verify the quote, of course).

 

[Maurice]

I wouldn't trust Cash Markman to accurately quote my dry cleaning labels, but I'd pay attention to those other quotes.

 

[mb22]

Regarding Roddenberry and Jews, the 1977 book Letters to Star Trek (written by his Jewish assistant/mistress Susan Sackett) describes a fan planting a tree in Israel in honor of him (or Trek, don't recall which). There is also mention of him putting a crewman with a Jewish last name in one of the movie scripts (probably God Thing) after a fan wrote a letter in about a lack of Jews on the Enterprise. So whatever his feelings, he tried not to appear anti Semitic in public.

 

[fireproof78]

My guess is he's objecting to the idea that Apollo can bring them back from the dead. I guess Nomad bringing Scotty back is different because not-Gods.

Well, obviously that is technology and technology cannot be bad

Sorry, I know it's an odd place to jump in to this thread, but I find it so interesting how there can be god like beings with god like powers but the idea of "God" is too much. It's a weird line for me.

 

[Kor]

About Apollo impregnating Lt.Carolyn Palamas in the original script, that is true as James Blish left it in his story for Star Trek #7! So knowing that he wrote his novels from the scripts and not from watching them on television we assume that was the intent!
JB

Blish also added some of his own exposition which didn't come from the scripts. So not all of the details from his adaptations can necessarily be taken as evidence that the episodes were originally scripted that way.

Kor

 

[Delta Vega]

I think, regardless of what God the Enterprise intelligentsia worshipped, if any, or if Roddenberry was Protestant, Catholic, Jewish or whatever, we can all agree that Apollo was a major pain in the fucking arse.
A big fuck off egotistical maniac basically trying it on with a defenceless woman.

 

[johnnybear]

He was from a race of advanced beings who found earth and enjoyed being worshipped as Gods! They must have been there for so long too that they forgot they were living creatures and assumed that they must have been deities!!! I wonder if Apollo's gang ever crossed paths with the Platonians? Both came to earth and stayed in the same area of the planet!!!
What bits did James Blish add to the stories, Kor, any idea?
JB

 

[Marsden]

He was from a race of advanced beings who found earth and enjoyed being worshipped as Gods! They must have been there for so long too that they forgot they were living creatures and assumed that they must have been deities!!! I wonder if Apollo's gang ever crossed paths with the Platonians? Both came to earth and stayed in the same area of the planet!!!
What bits did James Blish add to the stories, Kor, any idea?
JB

That's a great idea JB! How would they handle each other? Would Apollo come out on top or would the Platonians overpower him?
I wonder if any of them met Flint?

 

[Commishsleer]

Here's an article from The Jewish Journal that contains the quote where Nimoy calls Roddenberry anti-semitic and takes a general look at Roddenberry's relationship with his many Jewish associates.

Look I thought that GR made a throwaway remark and Nimoy threw one right back at you before I read that article. Now I see that Nimoy actually meant it.
Although I think anti-semetic is too harsh a term Nimoy was actually an "associate" of GR so he might know better.

 

[plynch]

THANK you, Tim! Sheldon Teitelbaum was the fellow who did the Sci-Fi Universe interview with Nimoy that I was remembering. The quotes from Nimoy are the same.

It also quotes Nimoy, Roddenberry, Harve Bennett, and Michael Piller. Teitelbaum also makes reference to speaking with Brannon Bragga [sic] and Armin Shimmerman [sic]. Are we supposed to discount the entire thing just because he also makes a passing reference to something Cushman wrote regarding Shimon Wincelberg, a man who passed away in 2004, 11 years before the article was written?

Look, just because Cushman wrote a sloppily-researched book that drew some faulty conclusions, it doesn't immediately follow that every single thing in his book is wrong. If he had a relevant quote in his book from someone who'd since passed away that came in handy for something I was writing, I might very well quote him, too (After doing my best to independently verify the quote, of course).

Whoa, dude. Who said ANYthing about discounting the whole thing? I enjoyed the article.

It was just a (sad) noticing. Mr. Cushman's research failings cast doubt, yes, on everything he says. If a lot is wrong, everything else might be, and you just can't know what.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Whoa, dude. Who said ANYthing about discounting the whole thing? I enjoyed the article.

Good. Since your entire comment was "Article quotes Star Trek historian Marc Cushman," it carried the unspoken implication "...so there's no point in reading or believing any of it" to me.

 

[Henoch]

Maybe Kirk just thought Apollo looked silly in a mini-skirt.