Exactly! Kirk called Spock the finest first officer in the fleet, since we never saw all the others in action the jury is out. Plus every captain believes their crew is the best
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I'm sorry, I just cannot agree. I am actually laughing that anyone would think this, let alone utter it aloud in the presence of other human beings.
https://www.businessinsider.com/50-...all-time-critics-2016-9#1-rectify-season-4-50
If it was so good it would be ranked SOMEWHERE on this list. But noooope.
If it was so good it would be ranked SOMEWHERE on this list. But noooope.
That's a fallacy.
That's not a good list. All but three choices are from this century. In other words, 47 out of 50 of those choices are from 2000 or later. I know we live in a Golden Age of Prestige TV but this is a little much. That list is too heavily skewed towards today.
Though I'm glad to see a ton of my favorite shows made the cut!
To put it another way, 47 years from now, people will still be watching Corbomite. Most of that stuff on the list will be long forgotten.
Using aggregate scores for anything is dubious at best. But the way list is presented doesn't account for the whole. It's just the mean of the parts. It also doesn't account for the non-quantifiable stuff. Or it's impact and place in pop culture lore. I mean, 2001 and Empire Strikes Back's meta score are 82. Alien is 83. Now go find a clickbait article ranking skiffy films based on their meta scores.
Using aggregate scores for anything is dubious at best. But the way list is presented doesn't account for the whole. It's just the mean of the parts. It also doesn't account for the non-quantifiable stuff. Or it's impact and place in pop culture lore. I mean, 2001 and Empire Strikes Back's meta score are 82. Alien is 83. Now go find a clickbait article ranking skiffy films based on their meta scores.
Laugh all you like. I'm in that group too.
I will laugh. Because nobody but Star Trek fans would ever make that claim.
Nobody but Trekkies are watching it now.
The list proves one thing: I'm right when I said older shows never had consistently great seasons. For a variety of seasons. As such, consistently great seasons on ANY list will ALWAYS be more recent, or more limited and from visionary creators like Twin Peaks.
Because of the nature of TV pre, say, 1999, shows put out 20-25 episodes a year and the quality inevitably suffered. Even in a great season, the 6-7 terrible episodes prevent the quality of the entire year from being that high.
I agree that shorter seasons and more time to put them together cut down the risk of having bad episodes. I've said this myself, in this very forum, in the past. It's part of why I like Discovery better than Older Trek. BUT...
... the problem is, if we go by this list, then the second season of The Simpsons is the best season of 20th Century Television. I have a very hard time believing that. Better than All the Family? Or Seinfeld? Or other examples I could throw in? I don't think so.
Among everything else in the list, it has the fourth season of Halt & Catch Fire but none of the other three. Process of elimination: the fourth season would be better than the first three. I don't think I agree with that either. So, this list isn't really the Be All and End All. It's really just a selection from the tastes of whoever put the list together. If you asked me about my favorite 50 seasons ever, or someone else's, the list would be different.
So, if there are already those things in this list that I don't agree with, then there have to be other things, including representation. Some older shows have a near-perfect batting average. I had -- but don't have anymore -- The Honeymooners on DVD. 39 episodes of the one and only season. I can't think of a bad episode in the bunch. It really, really varies depending on the show and creative talent. Sometimes you have a writing team on a roll. Oftentimes not, but sometimes you do.
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Well, as long as I can entertain. I am here to entertain the troops.
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(I gotta admit, the idea of Internet review aggregation sites as arbiters of something other than the momentary popularity of a TV show is quite a giggle...)
How can TOS be ranked somewhere on that list? It is based on the Metacritic site and like many other series older than this site, there is simply a lack of critical reviews for TOS.
https://www.metacritic.com/tv/star-trek
Not to mention that place 1, Rectify season 4, is only based on the opinion of 11 critics. Place 4 got its place thanks to only 8 critics. I looked up some others, they had more reviews, but still less than 30. Doesn't feel particular representative. Not to mention newer series's reviews are naturally influenced a lot by hypes at the time of their airing, while older series won't profit from that. They are looked at from another perspective.
How many of the shows on that list got TWENTY SEASONS like GUNSMOKE?
Or ELEVEN SEASONS like M*A*S*H?
(which also closed out as the all time most watched show - 105 million viewers)
LASSIE had 19 seasons as well.
If one is going to quantify TV shows in an "All Time Great" category, one needs to start at the beginning way back in the 1950's and go from there.
Otherwise it's just a preferential list pulled out of somebodies ass.
(also, that site doesn't let one use Adblock, so it's on my chit list right from the start since I don't know it well enough to trust it)
Addendum:
According to this list...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest-running_scripted_U.S._primetime_television_series
Fourteen of the top 20 longest running shows on TV all began before the year 2000.
That's a statistic that one can assume without any doubt includes the most popular shows ever.
(unfortunately, not one of the Star Trek series is included)
Or ELEVEN SEASONS like M*A*S*H?
(which also closed out as the all time most watched show - 105 million viewers)
LASSIE had 19 seasons as well.
If one is going to quantify TV shows in an "All Time Great" category, one needs to start at the beginning way back in the 1950's and go from there.
Otherwise it's just a preferential list pulled out of somebodies ass.
(also, that site doesn't let one use Adblock, so it's on my chit list right from the start since I don't know it well enough to trust it)
Addendum:
According to this list...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest-running_scripted_U.S._primetime_television_series
Fourteen of the top 20 longest running shows on TV all began before the year 2000.
That's a statistic that one can assume without any doubt includes the most popular shows ever.
(unfortunately, not one of the Star Trek series is included)
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I like TOS, and I like Season 1 the best by far out of the TOS seasons (3 was garbage, and 2 basically had four amazing episodes and a lot of mediocrity). But the hit/miss ratio for even the first season wasn't the best. I give it credit for coming first, understanding that a lot of plots which seem cliched now really helped to set the cliche. But there were still garbage episodes like Mudd's Women and the Alternative Factor - and a fair amount of mediocre episodes as well. I don't think the percentage of amazing hours of TV was really better than the best seasons of TNG or DS9.
How many of the shows on that list got TWENTY SEASONS like GUNSMOKE?
Or ELEVEN SEASONS like M*A*S*H?
(which also closed out as the all time most watched show - 105 million viewers)
LASSIE had 19 seasons as well.
If one is going to quantify TV shows in an "All Time Great" category, one needs to start at the beginning way back in the 1950's and go from there.
Otherwise it's just a preferential list pulled out of somebodies ass.
(also, that site doesn't let one use Adblock, so it's on my chit list right from the start since I don't know it well enough to trust it)
Addendum:
According to this list...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest-running_scripted_U.S._primetime_television_series
Fourteen of the top 20 longest running shows on TV all began before the year 2000.
That's a statistic that one can assume without any doubt includes the most popular shows ever.
(unfortunately, not one of the Star Trek series is included)
I can’t think of anything more excruciating than having to plow through 20 seasons of GUNSMOKE.
Ah, the blind adoration for TOS continues. It's a good show, pioneer for it's day, and high quality for 1966, but does not hold up. Not the writing, not most of the acting, not the stories or anything else. And 14:1? Pull another one.
BINGO! I do have a tendency to exaggerate and I appreciate you putting it more fairly than I probably would. I enjoy TOS but it's actually the Trek series I rewatch the least, and only has maybe 10 episodes i'd ever think about putting in my top 100 Trek shows.
Frankly, TOS is a show i'd love to see straight-up remade, because there's a lot of potential in those stories wasted by bad acting, bad writing, and just overall poor execution.
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