Yeah. I caught that and deleted my post. One of the hazards of reading the board and doing two things at once. Never post while multi-tasking. You'd think I'd know this by now.
Question: Where is it explicitly said that Kirk took command immediately after Pike?
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Yeah. I caught that and deleted my post. One of the hazards of reading the board and doing two things at once. Never post while multi-tasking. You'd think I'd know this by now.
Might be a bit too old to play April, who I imagine being in his early sixties.
Memory-Alpha says April was born in 2195. I'm going to assume the TAS Episode he was in had something in the dialogue that allowed them to make that assumption.
That would put him in his early 60s during DSC. So you'd be right.
It makes perfect sense if the writers/producers took the position that TOS was 300 years from when it aired on NBC (and Season 3's last episode was in 1969); and although TAS was made from 1973-1975, from the writer's/producer's view it was a straight continuation of the "Five Year Mission" meaning in the end that it takes place circa 2270.
That guy who did those travel series in the 90s?
So, relating the Spore Drive to Genesis, are we saying that spores are protomatter? Makes sense, protomatter is outlawed for Genesis and probably got its bad rap with the Spore Drive, details upcoming during DSC.
Going back to the original topic, are we good that Kirk did directly take over from Pike? I'm okay with the "The Menagerie" quotes. Kirk become captain of the Enterprise very shortly before WNMHGB where stardate 1312.4 was given for the start of the episode. Gary Mitchell posted Kirk's term of captaincy on Kirk's tombstone, C. 1277.1 to 1313.7. "C." for captaincy and only 36.6 stardates which don't sound like a long period.
We know there's more to stardates than the obvious numbers. Both from the logical point of view (if a thousand units is more or less the same as one Earth year, then a four-digit system must "roll over" every decade, meaning two identical stardates can be ten, twenty or five thousand five hundred fifty years apart), and from the illogical (DSC has reintroduced stardates that go backwards as time passes and a season proceeds).
Yet Kirk being a fresh skipper with little shared history between him and, say, Spock is easy reading into the pilot episode. Pike being a recent memory in "The Menagerie" still, perhaps less so. An in-between skipper or two would actually be dramatically welcome to wean our TOS sidekicks from Pike, so they retain their professional detachment when the crippled former CO comes aboard (and in the best of cases have never served under Pike despite having a long association with the Enterprise).
Timo Saloniemi
Yet Kirk being a fresh skipper with little shared history between him and, say, Spock is easy reading into the pilot episode. Pike being a recent memory in "The Menagerie" still, perhaps less so. An in-between skipper or two would actually be dramatically welcome to wean our TOS sidekicks from Pike, so they retain their professional detachment when the crippled former CO comes aboard (and in the best of cases have never served under Pike despite having a long association with the Enterprise).
Timo Saloniemi
Yep. This.
It may not have literally been the very day that Pike officially stepped down as Captain and accepted his promotion to Fleet Captain. There may have been a brief interregnum where the Enterprise spent some time in drydock or Spacedock to receive some systems upgrades and new personnel and Kirk could have needed to travel from another location to officially take command of the ship in an onboard ceremony similar to what we see Picard undergo when he first boards the Enterprise-D in "All Good Things...(TNG)," but he did immediately succeed Pike as Captain of the Enterprise 1701.
Chief O'Brien said holographic communications were new in DS9's era. Quotes from episodes don't mean much these days.
If they did slide in a new captain between Pike and Kirk, we're lucky we have you to explain that by Kirk explictly saying he took command from Pike, he actually meant there were 3 captains inbetweenNaah. O'Brien was credited with installing the "new" holocommunicator. No wonder if the old one was as crappy as the DSC ones...
Timo Saloniemi
Heh, as already pointed out, Kirk just says he got the ship from Pike when directly asked whether he even knew the guy. In-betweens wouldn't be relevant to Kirk's answer.
But no, nobody in "For the Uniform" claims that holographic communications would be a new technology or phenomenon at the time. Only that the new communicator was installed, after which comments are made on its quality of imagery. Just as with holodecks when those are "first" "introduced" in TNG. Except there nobody even bothers to mention the installing part.
Timo Saloniemi
But no, nobody in "For the Uniform" claims that holographic communications would be a new technology or phenomenon at the time. Only that the new communicator was installed, after which comments are made on its quality of imagery. Just as with holodecks when those are "first" "introduced" in TNG. Except there nobody even bothers to mention the installing part.
Timo Saloniemi
New because they didn’t have them for over 100 years.
Ah, so by "new" he actually meant the exact opposite, "old". Okay.
It’s new because the Defiant never had one before.
O’Brien wasn’t saying the tech was a new invention.
...Who says they didn't? That is, we first need to define "them", and obviously the DS9 heroes were not at the receiving end of UFP top tech or comforts at any point of their observed careers. But the TNG heroes would have had little use for it for their part, their bridge being lavishly equipped with the big holographic viewscreen already.
No, "new" as in "that which differs from old". That's how real people use the word - to separate the new from the old. It has little use if old doesn't exist first.
"Come and see my new TV" rather heavily implies the existence of a previous set. Its absence is a possibility, but not one of high probability.
Timo Saloniemi
