News Next Arrowverse Crossover to Include Batwoman
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Like Amazo can only be a boat?
Bruce Wayne has bad luck when he goes to the movies. (Too soon?)
Probably when Batman appears on one of the Arrowverse shows. It's one of those things a lot of people won't believe until they see it.
Also, not just Batman showing up but being the main star of a tv show. If you didn't have a embargo I would think we would have a Batman tv series right this minute. No offense to Batwoman but I think we know which Bat character would be at the top of the list of character to build shows around it they could.
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I'm not sure if "embargo" is the word; as I said, it's more of a case-by-case decision process. And usually, the way it works out is that if the WB movie division wants to use a character, then they get first claim and the TV people have to steer around that character. That's why Arrow had to use Ray Palmer instead of Ted Kord, why they wrote out the Suicide Squad when that movie went into development, why we're unlikely to see any Green Lanterns anytime soon, etc. And I doubt there is ever not going to be a time when the movie division has plans for Batman. At most, we might get him as a recurring guest like Superman is on Supergirl.
You have no evidence of this.
No question, but again, it's not some blanket "ban" and it sure as hell isn't someone other than Warner Bros. controlling the character's rights. It's a case-by-case decision to grant or withhold permission based on what other uses of the character are being planned. As long as the WB movie division wants to use Batman in movies -- and they always will -- the TV shows will have to tiptoe around actually using Batman qua Batman as a primary character. They can and do use the character, just not in his adult, on-camera, caped-and-cowled form. Because WB/DC apparently feels that two competing live-action versions of Batman might compete with each other and undermine each other. So if productions other than the movies want to use Batman characters and elements, they have to find a way to do it that's distinct from the movie version, that doesn't overlap with it directly.
Specifics matter. For example, when Marvel had the Star Wars license to publish their 1977-86 comic book, Marvel issued a similar statement about Lucasfilm giving them access to the property, but it turns out LFL laid down orders not to show and/or represent certain characters, but again, Marvel could play with everything else except for characters and/or events reserved for then movies (which were in production for all except the last three years of the comic). In this case, Batman appears to be in the same position--the one thing that has not appeared in any DC TV production--even the series based on his past and home city. That said, it stands to reason that the character (and by character I mean the adult Batman as seen/developed over the course of 79 years / adapted in various media, not "Young Batman" / "Imaginary Story Batman" / "Teen Batman" / "Alternate Universe Batman" or anything else) more than likely will not receive a full adaptation on TV as part of the currently produced DC TV series.
Then, there's...
That's exactly what DigificWriter's reference comes off as meaning.
.True, and that "The real Batman is not showing up" clock is still running.
Again, it seems to be a matter of WB/DC not wanting two equivalent, competing versions of a character at the same time, for fear that one might undermine the other. So if a WB/DC show wants to use a character the movies have dibs on, then they have to give the movies the right of way and work around their version, come close to it without duplicating it. (Flash and Superman are the exceptions somehow, though I doubt the movie people are thrilled by all the fans saying that Arrowverse Superman blows the movie version out of the water.)
In Gotham's case, though, I suspect their avoidance of the full-on Joker is as much about trying to work around the Batman mythos as about any sort of character permissions. It's a symptom of the problematical split personality of the show -- nominally a prequel to Batman, yet so insecure about the absence of Batman that it prematurely tosses in every element of the Batman mythos that it can. With characters like Penguin or the Riddler, you can easily enough give them origins independent of Batman's existence; but the Joker's long-established origin story is tied into Batman, in that the criminal known as the Red Hood falls into a vat of chemicals while fleeing the Batman and emerges as the Joker. So if Gotham is committed to at least the broad strokes of that origin story (although it's impossible to know with a show that crazy), they may feel that they can't justify introducing the Joker before there is a Batman; the most they can do is to introduce a forerunner of the Joker or the person who will eventually become the Joker.
That would be terrific for the fans. Though with Wonder Woman being ageless, and Lynda Carter being human, that might be hard to pull off. Where it does work is Flash90. They should make a real crossover.
We have no idea what criteria is being used to determine character access rights, and people therefore ought to stop making assumptions in that regard.
When Slade Wilson's Deathstroke comes back to Arrow and the writers are allowed to finish whay they plan with the character.
It's still a thing. Marc Guggenheim said so late last year. Or have things changed within even that time?
^ Arrow being unable to use Deathstroke yet again is not evidence of a "film only embargo"; it's evidence of that series' access to that character having temporarily expired.
Was that before the new show runner took over though?
She might have decided that Death Stroke has had his day and move on.