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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens
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Nope, but nice try! (And I'm not going to keep playing ping-pong, so you can have the last word on this one.)
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Boobies.
Simple rules I've learned along the way
Never chase after bad money with good money
Never attempt to build a castle on property that belongs to someone else
and never give energy to an idiot.
None of this had to happen except for the misguided belief that someone couldn't raise a penny if it wasn't set in the Star Trek universe. Might have been true at the point but give the man his due, Peters is really good at raising money but only a bad storyteller requires that much for a 22 minute film.
So I'm done putting energy into it.
I do really enjoy all he intelligent people I've encountered on this thread, it's just time to put my energy into my own personal endeavors and leave history to the victors to write.
I'll still check in every now and then to see that everyone is well.
Never chase after bad money with good money
Never attempt to build a castle on property that belongs to someone else
and never give energy to an idiot.
None of this had to happen except for the misguided belief that someone couldn't raise a penny if it wasn't set in the Star Trek universe. Might have been true at the point but give the man his due, Peters is really good at raising money but only a bad storyteller requires that much for a 22 minute film.
So I'm done putting energy into it.
I do really enjoy all he intelligent people I've encountered on this thread, it's just time to put my energy into my own personal endeavors and leave history to the victors to write.
I'll still check in every now and then to see that everyone is well.
It’s a website called Commdiginews. That’s the first red flag.
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I mean in general. More legitimate news sites run stories that are unverified, while some smaller agencies run stories that end up being true. If it's a Youtube channel, I actually read the comments first, because it gives me an idea of just who is responding to the story. I was watching a fascinating technology video on 5G the other day, for example, and the craziness about it killing us all as part of a Trilateral Commission plot didn't even show up until about 3/4 of the way through the video. Everything up to that point had seemed reasonable, well thought out, and researched, and then just... crazy town.
Look down in the comments? Sure enough, "5G is what Bill Gates and company want to do to us to enslave us! It's all Skull and Bones!" and so on.
It’s OT, but I disagree that the more legit sites are running unverified stories. I would need to see some evidence of that. And personally I never go to YouTube for news. I might watch a documentary, but that’s if it was made by like the BBC.
Any idiot can post on YouTube and they often do.
YouTube is for funny Cat videos and DIY stuff.........
Vloggers.......don't even get me started.
I miss the "old" Daily Show with Jon Stewart. While it wasn't a traditional news show in the strictest sense of the word, it still dealt with real things going on, and Stewart was always an equal-opportunity critic, going after pretty much anyone doing stupid shit, irrespective of their political stripe.
HAH!
I mainly just use it for movie, TV and video game clips and trailers. When I watch other stuff, I'm always very cautious since you don't always know what you're going to stumble across. If you're not careful you can run into some very weird shit.
Second part of the Trekzone interview series came up tonight apparently. I'll be listening to it tonight.
Just a few things that I wish were brought up by the trekzone guy...
1) The fanfilmfactor guy keeps saying that Alec was proven correct by not accepting the first settlement offer 6 months in because he got a better one 6 months later and the trekzone guy doesn't really challenge that result effectively beyond just stating that CBS owns the IP. The ends don't justify the means, especially when your own hubris likely contributed significantly to getting sued in the first place. Also, hindsight is 20/20 and there was no guarantee that he would have gotten a better offer down the line. When your own ego that led you to keep poking the giant corporate bear gets all your friends sued for potentially millions of dollars (I wasn't aware that pretty much everyone who worked on it was named in the suit), you take the offer that gets them off the hook financially instead of gambling for better down the line.
2) And my second point was just brought up in the last few minutes of the 75 minute interview 20 minutes after it was initially discussed. If FFF is not obligated to publish negative info about fan films then the opposite is also true in that Axamonitor doesn't have to offer positive coverage either. What's good for the goose....
I'm glad they're doing the interviews as it is bringing up some factual information that I wasn't orignally aware of while peripherally following the prior 1701+ page thread which was probably around half way when I joined this site. I didn't realize that Alec had within days of being served offered to change whatever CBS/Paramount wanted if they let him continue to make the film. Also, I wasn't aware that the crowdfunding campaign stated that the money would be used to finance the creation of the studio as I figured that was only made public long after. Maybe that was known by most here but I only came back to trek fandom AFTER the campaign was over and prelude was already out as well.
Just a few things that I wish were brought up by the trekzone guy...
1) The fanfilmfactor guy keeps saying that Alec was proven correct by not accepting the first settlement offer 6 months in because he got a better one 6 months later and the trekzone guy doesn't really challenge that result effectively beyond just stating that CBS owns the IP. The ends don't justify the means, especially when your own hubris likely contributed significantly to getting sued in the first place. Also, hindsight is 20/20 and there was no guarantee that he would have gotten a better offer down the line. When your own ego that led you to keep poking the giant corporate bear gets all your friends sued for potentially millions of dollars (I wasn't aware that pretty much everyone who worked on it was named in the suit), you take the offer that gets them off the hook financially instead of gambling for better down the line.
2) And my second point was just brought up in the last few minutes of the 75 minute interview 20 minutes after it was initially discussed. If FFF is not obligated to publish negative info about fan films then the opposite is also true in that Axamonitor doesn't have to offer positive coverage either. What's good for the goose....
I'm glad they're doing the interviews as it is bringing up some factual information that I wasn't orignally aware of while peripherally following the prior 1701+ page thread which was probably around half way when I joined this site. I didn't realize that Alec had within days of being served offered to change whatever CBS/Paramount wanted if they let him continue to make the film. Also, I wasn't aware that the crowdfunding campaign stated that the money would be used to finance the creation of the studio as I figured that was only made public long after. Maybe that was known by most here but I only came back to trek fandom AFTER the campaign was over and prelude was already out as well.
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Damn I love the Rod Serling style opening.
On AxaMonitor: Our summary and analysis of Part 2 of the Trekzone vs. Fan Film Factor debate over Axanar. In this segment, Matt Miller and Jonathan Lane talk about the lawsuit, and Jonathan says the AxaMonitor website is the major cause of Trek fans' conflicts over Axanar.
And that claim donors knew about their Kickstarter donations going to fund a studio refit isn't as straightforward as Jonathan Lane would have you believe. We fact-check the debate. See what you think »
And that claim donors knew about their Kickstarter donations going to fund a studio refit isn't as straightforward as Jonathan Lane would have you believe. We fact-check the debate. See what you think »
And here we see the utter insanity that is Alec Peters:
http://axamonitor.com/doku.php?id=axanar_debate_2
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Wow, Alec Peters (supposedly a person who understands how studios work - thought that was a good offer? Licencees not only shoulder most (if not all) Production costs to begin with - they usually pay a LICENSING FEE; and again, depending on terms may also have to give the Studio a share of the profits.
I fail to see how Peters or his lawyers could believe that a request for a basically free license was a credible offer here. Also, I'm sure the professional talent wouldn't be happy that their donated time to a 'fan project' would suddenly become some 'for profit' item for CBS/Paramount; possibly leading to lawsuits by them against CBS and/or Alec Peters as well.
I find myself imagining how it would go if I were debating with Lane myself. Probabaly like this:
1- I'd start by asking him to explain in his own words the lawsuit and how unfair Alec Peters' critics are being.
2- I'd wait until he was completely finished, then say two things:
"Alec Peters is a lying, opportunistic shit."
"You, Lane, are the propaganda minister of a lying, opportunistic shit."
And then i'd hang up and go have a sandwich. Not a lot of detail, but it wouldn't take three different chat sessions...
1- I'd start by asking him to explain in his own words the lawsuit and how unfair Alec Peters' critics are being.
2- I'd wait until he was completely finished, then say two things:
"Alec Peters is a lying, opportunistic shit."
"You, Lane, are the propaganda minister of a lying, opportunistic shit."
And then i'd hang up and go have a sandwich. Not a lot of detail, but it wouldn't take three different chat sessions...
I have mixed feelings on this whole situation, on one hand it's entertaining as hell, but at the same time I wish Alec Peters would just shut up on go away once and for all. It's a fascinating disaster that I just can't stop watching, as much as I wish I could at times.
In the second installment of what was billed as the Axanar debate, fan film blogger Jonathan again outmatched Trekzone’s Matt Miller
Sorry to disagree, Matt stuck to what he does best and for that you have a lot to write about.
See in part one Jon quickly took the "Stress interviewer position" (Here, I'll tell you where you're wrong and here is a long list of obscure facts as proof) To this Matt quickly shifted to to a behavioral interviewer (metaphorically if words were rope) I'm going to allow you as many words as you think you need.
This is what makes Matt a great interviewer. He'll stimulate a topic and let you go with it. Sadly I didn't do a word count on the word "detractors" when "truth seekers" would have been far more inclusive.
Actually I follow Jon, Matt and Carlos and feel they are all great people and do a wonderful job of bringing out points of interest. Axanar is a topic that no longer interests me.
The only question I have is: At what point did this get labeled a "Debate"?