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How did Ben and Jake escape Wolf 359?

JesterFace

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Has there been some stories on how Ben and Jake were saved from Wolf 359 after they escaped the battle in escape pods?

When Enterprise arrived to Wolf 359 and the fleet was destroyed they didn't pick up any lifesigns. Was there some kind of disturbance with sensors, were Ben and Jake floating around in escape pods somewhere in the wreckage or had they fled the battle somehow? 39 ships were destroyed, where was the 40th?
 
They were a larger-model escape pod - perhaps that type is equipped with some variety of warp drive capability.
 
we saw tiny, and i mean tiny, two person shuttle pods with warp drive nacelles. it makes sense to me that every single life boat and pod would have warp drive capacity.

why potentially in the far reach of basically nowhere would you eject a life pod with no warp drive? okay maybe not warp 9.999, but still warp drive.
 
we saw tiny, and i mean tiny, two person shuttle pods with warp drive nacelles. it makes sense to me that every single life boat and pod would have warp drive capacity.

why potentially in the far reach of basically nowhere would you eject a life pod with no warp drive? okay maybe not warp 9.999, but still warp drive.

Yes. Without warp drive, the escape pods just let the occupants die slowly of lack of air/water/food instead of quickly in an explosion. Starfleet would be putting warp drive into the escape pods just as soon as they could, so if the runabouts on DS9 had warp drive, the escape pods should also.
 
A warp drive is a bomb.

Boom.

A replicator that can erect solar sails with enough surface area to shift the ship to warp?

Not (re)invented yet.

The Prophets saved Ben and Jake, and allowed Jennifer to die, to put Ben firmly on the right path.
 
Warping away from the Borg would appear, ahem, futile - the Cube was giving a Galaxy class starship stiff competition just moments before. And both the dialogue here and the scene in "Dark Frontier" speak of Borg thoroughness...

Stealth might be a standard survival tactic for lifepods. Perhaps it didn't completely fool the Borg, and only about 5% of the pods survived (that is, the ones under divine protection), but it did completely fool the E-D and would similarly have fooled Klingons or Cardassians or whatever. Which is why the heroes didn't comment on the stealth - if it worked, there was hope, but there was no point in jinxing that hope.

Or something.

Timo Saloniemi
 
We don't really know what Wolf 359 looked like, we only saw a brief portion involving the Saratoga. There weren't 39 ships in the Emissary sequence.

It looks like we saw the start of the battle, with the cube quickly brushing aside the initial wave, and moving on until it met the bulk of Hansen's fleet - the wreckage we see in BoBW2.

I think Sisko's pod was just left behind and picked up later. There were other survivors - Captain Amasov of the Endeavour for one.

And at some point the Borg send some assimilated officers back to the Delta Quadrant, quite possibly with the Borg Queen...
 
Bigger question you should be asking is how did that woman get assimilated at Wolf 359 and get back to the Delta Quadrant. :)
 
Warping away from the Borg would appear, ahem, futile - the Cube was giving a Galaxy class starship stiff competition just moments before. And both the dialogue here and the scene in "Dark Frontier" speak of Borg thoroughness...
Yes, but isn't the Borg trying to get to Earth, and the battle at Wolf 359 was just Starfleet trying to block the cube from getting to Earth? So the Borg didn't care about the escape pods, it's trying to assimilate Earth and destroy any threats, and escape pods aren't a threat.
 
But trying to block the Cube would be futile: blockades in space don't work. If the Borg did not wish to fight Starfleet at Wolf 359, they could simply have warped around or through the fleet and continued to Earth. This would just have meant that they would face the fleet on Earth orbit, then, possibly hampering the assimilation operations (if any were intended - it's not as if the Borg did anything of the sort when actually reaching Earth, after all).

That the Borg killed those 39 ships is already a case of them going after something that's not a threat. They then proceed to specifically engage local defenses at Jupiter and Mars (and apparently Saturn as well, as evidenced by that flyby), even though those would not be relevant to the quest to assimilate Earth. The Collective was on Thorough Mode that day, for whatever reason. Perhaps Picard was fighting back and able to fool them into thinking that his "Starfleet expertise" suggested carefully eliminating all resistance - which in practice just meant buying time for the defenders to do something? Or perhaps the Borg wanted to pick as many fights as possible, to assimilate all Starfleet tactics and weapons, before going for the kill and thus depriving the Collective of further gain?

Either way, hunting down every single lifeboat would fit that picture very well...

The Borg did spend a lot of time doing something at Wolf 359 after the battle was over. We saw basically all of it in "Emissary", from the first threats to the last burning starships, yet the E-D was still hours away at that point - and regardless, the Borg were still at the scene when Riker's ship arrived, and not at Earth or even en route to Earth (but en a route marked by subspace eddies the heroes would then carefully follow, without ever suggesting this was the beeline to Earth).

Likely pastimes for the Cube: helping turn wrecks into Borg vessels, "Regeneration" style, and assimilating every last survivor, "Dark Frontier" style...

Timo Saloniemi
 
The Galactic plane is thinner, the closer it gets to the rim.

Do you need a Medusan to leave the Galaxy by going up or down?

Is that what happened in What hppened in where no Man has been before?

Instead of going 30 thousand light years to the rim, and the Galactic barrier, they just went 4 thousand light years straight up to the galactic barrier overhead?
 
I was thinking the same thing. There’s a barrier around the galaxy and so it would be possible to barricade an area. You just would need a lot of ships.
 
Radiation from so many destroyed warp cores and antimatter tanks could've obscured the escape pods from sensors, or they were utilising internal forcefields to deflect life-signs in case the Borg returned, or a rescue ship arrived and recovered the escape pods then headed for the nearest starbase for treatment.
 
I was thinking the same thing. There’s a barrier around the galaxy and so it would be possible to barricade an area. You just would need a lot of ships.

"A lot" probably meaning about a hundred million, at a bottleneck a thousand lightyears thick and ten thousand wide. Unless the barrier sort of wraps around the inner cores of the spiral arms, and we're only speaking of a million ships.

"Point defense" is what works in space, Star Trek included. "Going around" is implicitly possible in all other cases. Except perhaps at the Hekarras Corridor.

As for rescue scenarios, one has to wonder why our heroes weren't informed of such. What reason would an already rescued group of Wolf 359 survivors have to fail to report to Starfleet? Other than a nagging suspicion that they were being optimistic about the "already rescued" bit and would do well to run a further hundred lightyears before breaking silence?

Timo Saloniemi
 
Guinin said that Humans would be able to relate to the Borg when they are more "advanced". Maybe the Borg and the Prophets "talk" and the Borg did the Prophets a solid?
 
But do the escape pods have warp capability?

Could be.

The Saratoga escape pod did have pilots. So I doubt it would just float around out there.

If it didn't have warp drive, it probably just left the area and sent out a distress signal to be picked up by a passing ship.
 
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IMpulse and warp speed requires a reactor.

Three kids and a dog cannot be left in charge of a reactor.

Gotta be thrusters?
 
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