Basic logic applies 1 borg or a billion as soon as 1 voth gets assimilated bye bye voth. Not that it has to be that way plenty of evidence of the borg not taking everyone. But forget them going after the city ship take out a research vessel the tech would be comparable levelling the playing field. Still the Voth seem to have a clear advantage. What I find of more amusement is considering the slow development of Voth technology. Does appear to show their doctrine is a much harsher version of our dark age. 20 million years I would expect them to be so far ahead of us they wouldn't need to send troops aboard just beam the crew into detention cells. Last two points gegen should never have found voyager at least not with that sample of warp plasma (fairtrade). Would have been a nice slap down by the minister. No mention of the journey Voyager is on in his rousing speech wtf?
Were the Voth more powerful than the Borg?
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The voth while incredibly advanced by the federation's standards are a completely stagnant society. Its clear the ones who run Voth Society are terrified of scientific progress-that would radically upset the status quo. Given the Voth's electronic capabilities-totally disabling Voyager, beaming them within their city ship, personal cloaking devices, and transwarp means they probably can evade or outfight the borg whenever they run into them. Given that the Borg seem to need transwarp conduits to go that fast and the Voth don't the Voth could easily outflank, outmaneuver, outrun, and overpower the Borg. Though I imagine they choose to avoid confrontation whenever possible, scurrying around and occasionally defeating the Borg when they run into them but avoiding a head long confrontation they don't believe they'll win.
I was reading page two, back from when I had hair in 2010...
The suggestion is that two foreign transwarp networks cannot overlap.
Maybe conduits repel each other like like-charged magnets?
Maybe conduits weaken spacetime, and two conduits without a hub, crisscrossing over each other create dangerous properties adverse to life from this dimension?
Or maybe the walls of a conduit are too strong to breach without an unrealistic application of force?
Or the physics could just be impossible, and they cancel each other out like nullifying harmonics.
Or worst, every one keeps getting Tuvixed when their ships pass through other.
So for whatever reason, no one can invent Transwarp in an area where some one is already using transwarp because even if they figure out the theory, the practical experiments will fail because your home world is already overlapped with someone elses conduits.
Wait?
I think the Voth have full transwarp, and don't mess around with conduits.
Sorry for wasting your time.
The suggestion is that two foreign transwarp networks cannot overlap.
Maybe conduits repel each other like like-charged magnets?
Maybe conduits weaken spacetime, and two conduits without a hub, crisscrossing over each other create dangerous properties adverse to life from this dimension?
Or maybe the walls of a conduit are too strong to breach without an unrealistic application of force?
Or the physics could just be impossible, and they cancel each other out like nullifying harmonics.
Or worst, every one keeps getting Tuvixed when their ships pass through other.
So for whatever reason, no one can invent Transwarp in an area where some one is already using transwarp because even if they figure out the theory, the practical experiments will fail because your home world is already overlapped with someone elses conduits.
Wait?
I think the Voth have full transwarp, and don't mess around with conduits.
Sorry for wasting your time.
More advanced, yes.
More powerful, that's a bit harder to say. The Voth might only have this one cityship and I'm not sure what would happen if all millions of Cubes converged on it simultaneously.
More powerful, that's a bit harder to say. The Voth might only have this one cityship and I'm not sure what would happen if all millions of Cubes converged on it simultaneously.
Did they have anything to stop nanoprobes? Because even if they destroy a dozen ships, if even one managed to assimilate a Voth scientist or computer system, they'd immediately adapt and it would be Wolf 359 but with gigantic city ships.
I guess they had something like that.
The Borg were never invincible. The Federation managed to stop the invasion after Picard being back to normal after he had been assimilated by The Borg and Voyager managed to wipe their a**es in the Delta Quadrant.
The Voth could probably destroy or disable a single borg cube if they had to, and given their electronic capabilities and seeming ease in which they dispatched any resistance from voyager, the Borg would have an extremely hard time assimilating one of their city ships(though given their technology the Borg would certainly try).
I suspect that the Voth would rather flee than fight and only engage in direct confrontation if they either had one-an overwhelming advantage(i.e. Voyager) or were cornered and so had no other choice.
Or maybe to come to the defense of another city ship. They seem somewhat insular and nomadic though. And their society seems very stratified and based upon hierarchies and apparently social traditions which are quite conservative in their nature.
We never saw what the Voth were capable of in terms of offensive weaponry-they transported voyager within their ship and disabled the ship and rendered all its weapons and systems useless.
I'm guessing they did this via electronic warfare sort of means-something I'm not sure if the Borg would be prepared for-though such capabilities would only further attract the attention of the Borg.
Assuming that their offensive capabilities were commensurate with their shown technology-it seems to me that the Borg would be unable to assimilate a Voth city ship-at least not without either sabotage or infiltration or sheer overwhelming numbers(in which case the Voth would likely flee rather than fight)
A single Voth scientist or engineer would certainly present an attractive target for the Borg-we have no reason to suspect the Voth are biologically immune or resistant to nanoprobes-they have scales instead of skin but I don't think that would present too much of a problem.
Assimilating the Voth matriarch or one of their elders would be even better as it would give the Borg are a lot of data on the location of Voth city ships, their tactical dispositions, some awareness of their technology, etc...
One thing is for sure I think, if the Borg ever did successfully assimilate the Voth or even just a few high ranking officials or scientists/technicians the Borg would be even more formidable.
I suspect that the Voth would rather flee than fight and only engage in direct confrontation if they either had one-an overwhelming advantage(i.e. Voyager) or were cornered and so had no other choice.
Or maybe to come to the defense of another city ship. They seem somewhat insular and nomadic though. And their society seems very stratified and based upon hierarchies and apparently social traditions which are quite conservative in their nature.
We never saw what the Voth were capable of in terms of offensive weaponry-they transported voyager within their ship and disabled the ship and rendered all its weapons and systems useless.
I'm guessing they did this via electronic warfare sort of means-something I'm not sure if the Borg would be prepared for-though such capabilities would only further attract the attention of the Borg.
Assuming that their offensive capabilities were commensurate with their shown technology-it seems to me that the Borg would be unable to assimilate a Voth city ship-at least not without either sabotage or infiltration or sheer overwhelming numbers(in which case the Voth would likely flee rather than fight)
A single Voth scientist or engineer would certainly present an attractive target for the Borg-we have no reason to suspect the Voth are biologically immune or resistant to nanoprobes-they have scales instead of skin but I don't think that would present too much of a problem.
Assimilating the Voth matriarch or one of their elders would be even better as it would give the Borg are a lot of data on the location of Voth city ships, their tactical dispositions, some awareness of their technology, etc...
One thing is for sure I think, if the Borg ever did successfully assimilate the Voth or even just a few high ranking officials or scientists/technicians the Borg would be even more formidable.
This has been answered to some degree. In the episode Infinite Regress when Tuvac is experiencing Seven's memories and seeing the people she helped assimilate, there were two Voth. Clearly the Borg assimilated at least a few Voth. Meaning it's likely the Borg could take them, at least with the numbers the Borg likely have on the Voth.
Going back and looking it might only be one Voth and it's possible it's just a very similar looking species. But the three ridges on each side of the head seem to match the Voth pretty well.
It's
It's
possible the Voth are all Borg now. Maybe the city ship was assimilated sometime between when we met the Voth and when Seven joins Voyager. A battle like that likely involved the Queen and Seven was a part of Unimatrix 01. So she likely would have been involved with assimilating Voth in that hypothetical battle and that would be why the Voth would be in Tuvac's vision of Sevens memories.
I think I see a lot of dinosaur-shaped drones in the Collective's future.
Sure the Voth were advanced, but so were plenty of other civilizations destroyed by the Borg. (Look at the Sikaiians!)
Sure the Voth were advanced, but so were plenty of other civilizations destroyed by the Borg. (Look at the Sikaiians!)
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