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Apollo and "the one"

Taken together, it's all unambiguously a validation of the religious aspect of American culture that was contemporaneous to when the episodes were aired.
Every god figure the Enterprise runs across (and they run across many) is a petulant child, a manipulative jerk, an out-of-control machine or some combination of the above. Every paradise they find is an infantilizing sham or a toxic trap. One of our show's two main heroes is a devil lookalike who says things like, "I, for one, have never believed in angels."

Now, in contrast to that anti-religious strain, what do we get? A reference in one episode to Christmas (a holiday that many atheists and non-Christians observe in some way). Vague references to "many beliefs" and a "reason" for things happening in "Balance of Terror." Concession that a historically determined alien variety of Christianity is socially useful. And a line in "Who Mourns for Adonais" that sticks out like a sore thumb for being lame and out of tune with the rest of the episode's theme.

I'll grant that's enough evidence to concede that the original series is not a full-throated endorsement of rigorous atheism. But that's a far cry from an unambiguous validation of American religious culture--an aspect of American culture that I don't think is any more contemporaneous with original Trek than it is with television today, by the way.
 
E... One of our show's two main heroes is a devil lookalike who says things like, "I, for one, have never believed in angels." ...

I don't think and never thought that Spock was "a devil lookalike" and always thought that Kirk and McCoy were more or less making up Spock's devilish appearance to have something to tease him about.

In this question https://movies.stackexchange.com/qu...imbs-in-the-chilling-adventures-o/93692#93692 my answer and Darth Locke's answer discuss the appearances of devils and The Devil.
 
In The Time Tunnel episode The Walls of Jericho, a force believed to be God prevents the Tunnel from interfering with Doug and Tony's mission in Jericho before Joshua and his troops surround the city and cause it's destruction!
JB
 
And didn't Roddenberry later claim he was away that week, and would never have approved it?
Typical Roddenberry. He went out of his way to take credit for things he had nothing to do with (like the interracial kiss "Plato's Stepchildren" and Harlan Ellison's character of Edith Keeler), but anything that people might frown on was done while he wasn't around.
The short version? Roddenberry’s claims about the end of “Bread and Circuses” are bullshit.
I am shocked, SHOCKED, to find out that there's gambling going on in this establishment!
 
I haven't seen any evidence that the line was needed to appease NBC. I suspect that's fan and/or Roddenberry driven invention. But I also haven't analyzed all the drafts to determine when it was added. A project for the future, perhaps.
The line doesn't appear in the final draft (5/15/67) but it does appear in the revised final (5/23/67) and all subsequent drafts.

And it's "the One," not "the one," in all drafts where it appears.
 
In the first season, the science lab Christmas party reference in "Dagger of the Mind" was in there, and there was a marriage scene aboard ship in "Balance of Terror" when Kirk talked about their "many beliefs." This Enterprise crew was not conceived of as atheists.

100%. I'm not religious, but my interpretation of Trek's future has never been "humans grew out of believing in God", but rather, that in Trek's society everyone would accept each other's differences of opinion. I conceive of the Enterprise being a mix of people of various faiths, alongside people of no faith, intermingling because they celebrate their differences rather than fighting over them. That seems to also be more in the spirit of Star Trek than the notion that Earth religions are all banned anyway :D

Even Star Trek 5 doesn't dispute the existence of a God, it merely has James T. Kirk confronting a false one ;)

And that's before we get into non-human cultures and their faith systems. Non-human crew spirituality is widely displayed and accepted in the Trek-verse, I tend to think the human religions are treated likewise.
 
Uhura's enthusiasm in BaC when she reveals the twist that the "sun worship" is really "Son worship" always struck me that she was probably some kind of Christian herself. I fully realize that this could be interpreted differently, but that's how I read it. I'm fully comfortable with the idea that Kirk himself has at least some sort of Christian background, even if he doesn't really practice. Further, there is ample evidence that Spock, though an atheist himself, has a good working knowledge of Christian theology, suggesting that, perhaps, his mother may have been Christian and raised him with it in at least some capacity. Again, there's plenty of room for different interpretation.

--Alex
 
I'm fully comfortable with the idea that Kirk himself has at least some sort of Christian background, even if he doesn't really practice. Further, there is ample evidence that Spock, though an atheist himself, has a good working knowledge of Christian theology, suggesting that, perhaps, his mother may have been Christian and raised him with it in at least some capacity. Again, there's plenty of room for different interpretation.

--Alex

I would put good money on William Shatner preferring to keep Kirk's beliefs off screen and open to any fan preference.

Regarding Spock ("My mother was a teacher"), why was Amanda on the planet Vulcan in the first place? For all we know, she could have been a Christian missionary who converted Sarek, in which case her son would have a very good working knowledge. That's not my head canon, but what's on screen doesn't deny it, even in the 2009 JJ-Trek that takes place in an alternate universe.
 
I do think a strong strain of atheism and secularism runs through their thinking. There's certainly no evidence that they're a particularly religious bunch.
Is there evidence of "a strong strain of atheism and secularism?"
I'm fully comfortable with the idea that Kirk himself has at least some sort of Christian background, even if he doesn't really practice.
Well the actor who plays Kirk is Jewish, so maybe the One comes from there?
Further, there is ample evidence that Spock, though an atheist himself ....
Spock: "I am journeying to the family shrine to honor our gods."

From this I take that Spock's family is polytheistic.
Regarding Spock ("My mother was a teacher"), why was Amanda on the planet Vulcan in the first place?
Teaching Human studies at the local community college.
 
Spock: "I am journeying to the family shrine to honor our gods."
That's from "Yesteryear" when Spock is pretending to be Selek, right? That doesn't reflect on Spock's religious beliefs, one way or another, but at least it does establish that there are Vulcan deities that it is accepted to honor (if not worship) in Vulcan culture. "Our gods" could mean either specifically the family's gods or more generally Vulcan gods, yes?
 
I once was a Methodist pastor; my Christology is rusty, but I believe the term "Son of God" is used in the Hebrew scriptures to refer to Judean or Israelite kings. And was a title for Augustus, so its use as a title for Jesus was very subversive. IIRC, it is mainly used in Luke, written for Gentile (Roman) audiences; while in Matthew, written for Jewish hearers, it is Son of Man so as not to be sacriligious.

In the 23rd c, Son of God could refer to a different concept than Jesus of Nazareth as God incarnate, crucified and risen.
 
I once was a Methodist pastor; my Christology is rusty, but I believe it is used in the Hebrew scriptures to refer to Judean or Israelite kings. And was a title for Augustus, so its use as a title for Jesus was very subversive. IIRC, it is mainly used in Luke, written for Gentile (Roman) audience and in Matthew, written for Jewish hearers, it is Son of Man so as not to be sacriligious.

In the 23rd c, Son of God could refer to a different concept than Jesus of Nazareth as God incarnate, crucified and risen.
They wouldn't have used "Christ" on American TV in the 1960s that way, in such a way that the entire audience would miss the point.
 
No I was actually thinking in universe. Uhura might be Christian as we understandit, as might the alien-Romans. Or they might be really else.

i do get the ending was a reveal intended for an ostensibly-Christian N American audience.
 
No I was actually thinking in universe.
If that's how you want your head canon to be, what can I say?

For me, though, obvious author intent informs in-universe continuity. The obvious intent was that the Children of the Son on 892-IV worshiped a figure analogous to Jesus Christ.
 
...Well the actor who plays Kirk is Jewish, so maybe the One comes from there?...

I know it comes as a surprise to some fans, but Bill Shatner and Jim Kirk are not actually the same guy. Besides, we know Kirk has been to a Christmas party, but have never heard of him attending Passover or lighting candles for Hanukkah.

OTOH, it could be argued that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all different flavors of the same basic religion, so Kirk could well have been an adherent to any of the three faiths, or indeed, some 23rd Century development of monotheism which we're not familiar with in our time.

--Alex
 
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