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Nicholas Meyer Discusses Discovery
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Actually, I thought the "destiny" notion in the Abrams movies hearkened (harked?) back thematically to "the belief that time is fluid, like a river, with currents, eddies, backwash," as touched upon in CotEoF. The possibility that "the same currents that swept McCoy to a certain time and place might sweep us there, too" could somehow work across the multiverse. (quotes from chakoteya.net)
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We knew it's destiny for them to come together in another universe since Mirror, Mirror.
It's OG canon that it should be so.
I love Meyer's work on STAR TREK, but this is on target. He has a great sense of classical storytelling: conflict, betrayal, sacrifice, humor, tragedy, etc. But, no, he doesn't seem to be all that into the SF stuff (the Genesis Device is basically a McGuffin in KHAN), and tends to push back against the more "utopian" aspects of TREK, which, honestly, is one of the things I like about him.
Heck, the whole point of his previous movie, TIME AFTER TIME, is that H.G. Wells is shocked to discover that the future is not the utopia he expected.
Very true. I love Meyer Trek, but it is far more military than any other. It's deliberately and unashamedly Horatio Hornblower in Space. And it's got the strange position of being both one of the most successful takes on Trek and one of the least Genes Vision-y. Whatever we might think GR would think of Discovery, we know that he objected to TUC.
It was made explicit in the ST'09 script floating about, where Spock Prime speculates that the timeline may be repairing itself after the damage done by Nero, hence the TOS crew still uniting despite huge alterations to history.
And really, if "Before and After" and "Year of Hell" can swap out Kes for Seven and still have the exact same sequence of events happen even through they're in the Jefferies Tube for different reasons, or the Enterprise-D being destroyed by warp core breach while battling Klingons in 2 timelines 4 years apart, then Kirk or Spock dying in engineering while dealing with Khan isn't much of a reach.
We knew it's destiny for them to come together in another universe since Mirror, Mirror.
It's OG canon that it should be so.
I don't know. The idea that in the many parallel universes out there is a special one that closely resembles ours, but under opposite attributes, and that there is a stronger connection between these universes (maybe because of the close resemblance) is IMO something else than the same universe, after a massive timeline interference with genocidal and technological differences on unbelievable scale, still leading the same characters together to the exact same situations.
The first one is a pulpy SF-concept. The second one is clearly "fate". IMO the first one fits to Star Trek - it IS a pulp-science universe! The latter with it's faith-overtones? Not so much...
Greek gods are real in the Star Trek universe, and they were kinda big on fate, so fate is also acceptably canon.
Greek gods are real in the Star Trek universe, and they were kinda big on fate, so fate is also acceptably canon.
Warp 10-salamanders were also in an episode of the Star Trek universe. One simply has to accept that the episode-of-the-week science does not have a similar impact on the overall Trek universe as the series' main fundamental premises.
Fate has undergirded TOS since the films, since it is not a stretch of a concept.
Spock states as much in TUC, with him observing that being a starship captain is Kirk's first, best, destiny. We have allusions to species being "fated to die" as noted by Riker and LaForge when discussing the Prime Directive.We knew it's destiny for them to come together in another universe since Mirror, Mirror.
It's OG canon that it should be so.
Fate and destiny are a part of the Star Trek universe, like it or not.
"The universe will unfold is it should" -- Spock, 2293
And that rather unfortunate remark about universal inflationary theory, is why he never made it into the Science Academy.
Honestly, I'm perfectly OK with the Genesis Device being just a McGuffin.
My favorite science fiction stories (screen or literary) are ones that may use the "sci fi" aspect as just a setting in order to tell a story about the human condition (or an allegory of the human condition, if humans aren't involved). Sure, I think a few "gee whiz" type things coming out of the sci-fi aspect of the story being told is important, but I don't want the science being the point of the story itself.
I decided awhile back in my head-canon, that episodes like "Spock's Brain", "Sub Rosa", "Threshold" & "These Are The Voyages" are all ALT-Universe tales and therefore I can accept that they happened, but not in the Prime Time-Line.
Especially since none of the events are ever mentioned again.
(actually several of The Original Series Episodes could be looked at that way)
Especially since none of the events are ever mentioned again.
(actually several of The Original Series Episodes could be looked at that way)
Greek gods are real in the Star Trek universe, and they were kinda big on fate, so fate is also acceptably canon.
But . . .but they were actually aliens mistaken for gods!
Which in universe did turn out to be a complete and utter failure, to a dangerous degree. Helpfully removing itself from further stories.
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