Episode IX Speculation and Discussion
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If Episode Nine revives Han and Luke, all is forgiven. I don't mind the new characters, but DON'T kill off the originals. Bring them back to life in the next one and everything will be fine.
Luke as a force ghost maybe but not han.
I am fully expecting Luke as a Force ghost. I think Han would be too much.
Also, I'll not understand the reticence in killing off the original characters. Did we expect them to live forever? If so, then just watch ROTJ and all is well.
Also, I'll not understand the reticence in killing off the original characters. Did we expect them to live forever? If so, then just watch ROTJ and all is well.
We'd all better prepare ourselves now for the very real possibility that NONE of the remaining original characters will make it to the final scene of Episode IX. Not Chewie, not Lando, not the Falcon, not even Threepio and Artoo. In fact, none of the Sequel Trilogy heroes are safe either. How much of a shock would it be if Kylo Ren actually slew Rey in the last lightsaber battle of the series, only for him to be brought down by someone no one was expecting?
This is the last film. The grand finale of the Saga. NOTHING is off the table.
This is the last film. The grand finale of the Saga. NOTHING is off the table.
Nah. I doubt either will be in it. I hope they will, but I'm not expecting it.
How would you like it if they killed Rey, Poe, Finn and Rose? Personally, I'd welcome that.
Considering the fact that Mark Hamill was announced as being a part of the cast...
That's fine by me if it serves the story. Obviously, this is my opinion, and a highly controversial one, since I think that both Han and Luke's death served the story just fine, and mileage will vary. But, killing characters is something that is part of storytelling. The complaint is odd to me, especially considering how the books proceeded on.
Good.
I’ve seen movies, ranging from stuff like romances to horror, that have killed off damn-near their entire casts. For eg. Frankenstein, the first ever science fiction novel, kills off everyone except Walton by the end. And since Walton typically gets cut in adaptations, that means everyone usually dies.
Myself (and many others) somehow survived those experience with minimal blubbering, and a complete lack of losing our shit. Because we’re adults. Hell. Some of them are my favourite movies.
So I think we’d cope.
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I'm not saying 'deep, philosophical analysis'. I'm saying deeper elements.
How about sacrifice? We see that in every movie. Obi-Wan sacrifices himself to save Luke and teach him an important lesson. Luke potentially falls to his death in ESB instead of joining Vader. Luke then throws away his weapon even after beating Darth Vader, literally giving himself up to be a Jedi instead of turning to the dark side. His act of sacrifice then prompts Vader - who has until this moment been totally evil - to finally turn his back on the dark side and sacrifice himself to save his son's life.
That's a theme developed from the first movie through to the last. It's one part of what makes the OT feel special.
As I said before, the OT is a perfect combination of simplicity and depth. Not the same intellectual depth you might find in some arthouse film, but the kind of deep themes we tend to react to most strongly.
You actually see the same thing in Indiana Jones. If you asked people what they loved about those films, it would be the action, and the action is fantastic. But you also have those odd act of faith moments that perfectly reflect the deeper parts of Indy's character. Closing his eyes before the Ark of the Covenant was opened? Taking a literal leap of faith to reach the grail and save his father? These are the elements that make those movies unique as well as entertaining.
For Star Wars, Lucas researched relatively high-brow concepts like Jungian psychology and Campbell's take on mythology, then managed to put those elements into a very modern and entertaining film.
Here's a nice quote from him when asked about religion in Star Wars:
“I see Star Wars as taking all of the issues that religion represents and trying to distil them down into a more modern and more easily accessible construct that people can grab onto to accept the fact that there is a greater mystery out there”. (Emphasis added).
It's not deep because Luke and Han spend their time discussing the finer points of philosophy. It's deep because Lucas was originally inspired by things like psychological archtypes and Eastern spirituality. Are the people at Disney? My guess would be no...
Sure, people will like the new movies. I like the new movies. My argument is that there's something missing. TFA sure was a huge hit, but praise does seem to have cooled recently, and plenty of people acknowledge it as basically a rehash of the first film. Ever since, the series has been slowly dropping off. RO wasn't as popular as TFA. TLJ has been rejected by a huge number of fans. Solo is "first in the Star Wars franchise to be considered a box office bomb" (Wiki).
It's only been three years since the franchise rebooted, and people already seem to be growing sick of the generic action focus.
So,
This is just wrong. If you're happy to "go off the reviews and box office numbers for now", how can you not acknowledge that?
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Since 1974 (the year Lucas wrote ANH's screenplay).
You know what I'm getting at. The central core of star wars is good versus evil. There's not THAT much more to it.
Star Wars is good vs evil, but IN SPAAAACE....
The "in space" part is extremely important too.
It's not just Wars, and it's not just Star. It's both.
The "in space" part is extremely important too.
It's not just Wars, and it's not just Star. It's both.
Yes, I know what you're talking about; I also know that you're unequivocally wrong based on the history of the series and its development.
How is that not present in the ST!? How are all the themes you have discussed that make Star Wars "special" as you state not present?
Han and Luke stayed alive in the books. Luke successfully rebuilt the Jedi order, which was the point of the OT. Their deaths in the last two films did not serve the story. We all know why they were really killed off and it had nothing to do with "serving the story".
Nothing whatsoever.
You can find depth like this in some of the fast and the furious movies if you go looking for it. What you are saying does not make star wars any deeper than any other franchise. At all.
