THE ORVILLE Season Two...

[Amaris]

It would be nice if people would try to help that tendency.

Why pretend comparisons aren't being made? Why talk around a subject that people are clearly thinking about when watching one show or the other?

 

[fireproof78]

Why? Comparing things is what humans do. It helps us to make choices.

When comparisons are used to beat down another, that's a problem. When comparisons are used to justify not liking something, that's a problem. It isn't allowing the product to stand on its own. It's telling something else "Why can't you be more like your big brother!"

Why pretend comparisons aren't being made? Why talk around a subject that people are clearly thinking about when watching one show or the other?

Did I say they are not being made? No, I did not. Did I say people were not thinking about it? Nope to that either.

I simply wished that people would attempt to curb that tendency and appreciate each show for what they are, rather than what we wish them to be.

 

[Amaris]

When comparisons are used to beat down another, that's a problem. When comparisons are used to justify not liking something, that's a problem. It isn't allowing the product to stand on its own. It's telling something else "Why can't you be more like your big brother!"

Did I say they are not being made? No, I did not. Did I say people were not thinking about it? Nope to that either.

I simply wished that people would attempt to curb that tendency and appreciate each show for what they are, rather than what we wish them to be.

Well that's never going to happen.
This is a Star Trek message board where a significant bulk of posts are about how good Star Trek once was or could be, rather than how enjoyable it is now.

 

[fireproof78]

Well that's never going to happen.
This is a Star Trek message board where a significant bulk of posts are about how good Star Trek once was or could be, rather than how enjoyable it is now.

Ah, I see. So, if something is "never going to happen" I cannot wish for it to be better. Quite optimistic of the future then

 

[Amaris]

Ah, I see. So, if something is "never going to happen" I cannot wish for it to be better. Quite optimistic of the future then

Congratulations, you've now twisted the meaning of a sentence into something that lets you fire off a sarcastic remark. You're ready for the Voyager forum.

 

[fireproof78]

Congratulations, you've now twisted the meaning of a sentence into something that lets you fire off a sarcastic remark. You're ready for the Voyager forum.

My default setting is sarcasm. And, I've already been to the Voyager forum. They don't like me there

So, let me see if I understand correctly. Star Trek is a show that supposes that humanity can improve itself. I work with people who are struggling with negative thoughts about themselves due to comparisons of themselves to other people, and how they wish the world "should be" rather than how it is. For me, I find comparison to be a thief of joy, because I am not sitting there, enjoying an episode of a show if I'm insisting upon comparing it to another show. That is not an enjoyable activity, to my mind.

Now, if I misunderstand the comparisons, fine. I'll admit to that. But, I don't see it as a beneficial activity when trying to watch a show. And, I don't care what the "human tendency" is.

 

[Amaris]

My default setting is sarcasm. And, I've already been to the Voyager forum. They don't like me there

So, let me see if I understand correctly. Star Trek is a show that supposes that humanity can improve itself. I work with people who are struggling with negative thoughts about themselves due to comparisons of themselves to other people, and how they wish the world "should be" rather than how it is. For me, I find comparison to be a thief of joy, because I am not sitting there, enjoying an episode of a show if I'm insisting upon comparing it to another show. That is not an enjoyable activity, to my mind.

Now, if I misunderstand the comparisons, fine. I'll admit to that. But, I don't see it as a beneficial activity when trying to watch a show. And, I don't care what the "human tendency" is.

It's even simpler than that: Right now there are two shows on television that emulate Star Trek. One is the official product of the franchise, and the other one works in Star Trek's spirit. It is inevitable that comparisons are going to happen.

 

[fireproof78]

It's even simpler than that: Right now there are two shows on television that emulate Star Trek. One is the official product of the franchise, and the other one works in Star Trek's spirit. It is inevitable that comparisons are going to happen.

Ah, ok. It's inevitable, and unfortunate from my perspective. And I'll leave it at that.

 

[Mudd]

It makes the folks who come out on the short end of the comparisons unhappy.

 

[PiotrB]

People can't help but compare them.

Only it is unfortunate that this people who compulsively 'compare' DSC and ORV in DSC forum aren't DSC fans. This thread shows those people are ORV fans so it is strange behaviour that even when they are in thread about theirs beloved series they are discussing how bad DSC is. As if they constantly had to convince themselves which series is better.

 

[Amaris]

Only it is unfortunate that this people who compulsively 'compare' DSC and ORV in DSC forum aren't DSC fans. This thread shows those people are ORV fans so it is strange behaviour that even when they are in thread about theirs beloved series they are discussing how bad DSC is. As if they constantly had to convince themselves which series is better.

Not necessarily. I am a fan of both Orville and DSC, but there are deficiencies I find in DSC that The Orville fills in quite nicely, mainly the idea that humanity gets better at working together, and creates a brighter future. DSC immediately dropped us into a war with the Klingons, and over the course of the season managed to show a lot of people dying, including a well liked crew member, while keeping corridors dark, people somber (I joked in an older thread that the primary hobby for DSC crew members is being depressed), and the plots somewhat soap opera-ish (I adore Michelle Yeoh, but seriously) in execution.

The show can absolutely get better, but Orville hit its stride much faster because it based its template on the idea that while humanity was flawed, the future was indeed better. We don't see that yet in DSC. Is it coming? I hope so, and all indications show that season two might deliver that. Until then, the comparisons will continue because at the moment, The Orville is scratching a Star Trek itch that Star Trek itself doesn't seem to be scratching.

 

[Mudd]

As if they constantly had to convince themselves which series is better.

Nope.

You do have a lot of folks down here who are profoundly let down by STD, though.

 

[Noname Given]

It usually does get into the home teams head when the underdog is playing better than they are.

Hey, I thought you LIKED "The Orville"?

 

[BillJ]

Hey, I thought you LIKED "The Orville"?

We're on the TrekBBS, I think it is clear who the home team is.

 

[The Wormhole]

And I get it. The Orville scene was supposed to be "funny", and I can understand why Orville fans saw it that way, But this was just one of the reasons why I could not think of the show as anything but a parody despite Seth's insistence that the show is a "dramady".

So, a bridge crew watching Seinfeld while on duty is unprofessional and proof the show is a parody. But what about a bridge crew who laughs at a senior officer making fun of an alien officer's appearance and non-human personality? Or where the CMO is allowed to leave his post in sickbay just to go hang out on the bridge? What about a ship where the third in line of command does goofy Sherlock Holmes impersonations at an officer's briefing discussing the death of another officer on the ship? Or a bridge crew who bring Chinese finger traps to the bridge and play with them while on duty? What about a ship where the entire senior staff show up on the bridge wearing period costumes? A space station where one of the senior staff brings their baby to the operations centre to sleep? A starship bridge where the bridge crew recite poetry during battle? A bridge where the watch officer spends the shift playing his clarinet, even when a superior officer pays a visit?

 

[BillJ]

But what about a bridge crew who laughs at a senior officer making fun of an alien officer's appearance and non-human personality? Or where the CMO is allowed to leave his post in sickbay just to go hang out on the bridge? What about a ship where the third in line of command does goofy Sherlock Holmes impersonations at an officer's briefing discussing the death of another officer on the ship? Or a bridge crew who bring Chinese finger traps to the bridge and play with them while on duty? What about a ship where the entire senior staff show up on the bridge wearing period costumes? A space station where one of the senior staff brings their baby to the operations centre to sleep? A starship bridge where the bridge crew recite poetry during battle? A bridge where the watch officer spends the shift playing his clarinet, even when a superior officer pays a visit?

This is all in the standard military protocol handbook! But, Seinfeld is clearly forbidden!

Trek is serious business!

 

[LJones41]

Hey, I like "The Orville". But aside from its humor, it doesn't seem to be brimming with any originality to me.

By the way, what exactly is the "Star Trek" spirit?

 

[BillJ]

By the way, what exactly is the "Star Trek" spirit?

I think it is different things to different people. To me? The idea that we get past our differences and learn to work together.

 

[CaptainMurdock]

For me it's a perfect balance of seriousness and lighthearted storytelling with an abit flawed crew that do their best to overcome their faults and work together. Going to new worlds and doing something new every week with an optimistic outlook on life. That's what the Star Trek spirit is to me.

 

[Amaris]

I think it is different things to different people. To me? The idea that we get past our differences and learn to work together.

For me it's a perfect balance of seriousness and lighthearted storytelling with an abit flawed crew that do their best to overcome their faults and work together. Going to new worlds and doing something new every week. That's what the Star Trek spirit is to me.

These pretty much sum up my thoughts too, with an extra helping of optimism on top of that.