THE ORVILLE Season Two...

[Amaris]

I'm hoping that is the case. They have a great group of actors on Discovery.

Indeed they do. As I mentioned earlier, I *love* Mary Wiseman, and by that I mean a deep, abiding infatuation with her and her character. I'm also a big fan of Mary Chieffo, Anthony Rapp, Sonequa-Martin Green, and Doug Jones. This season they need something to really flesh them out. Tilly had the most character growth, as far as I'm concerned, but she can always use more. I want to know more about Burnham, I want to know how she works, because Starfleet's reaction just seemed bone deep stupid, and I think it was a terrible idea to have a Fed/Klingon war starting the first season, a terrible idea.

Actually, I'd rather they not touch on that again, because I despise the whole line of thought that goes into it. I wasn't a fan of DS9's war arc, either, for that matter.

 

[The Wormhole]

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I won't lie, that looks kind of disgusting. Like the sort of thing that just sits on grocery store shelves and doesn't move until the staff have remove it because it's passed its expiry date.

Enjoy it for what it is

I will.

 

[LJones41]

Indeed they do. As I mentioned earlier, I *love* Mary Wiseman, and by that I mean a deep, abiding infatuation with her and her character. I'm also a big fan of Mary Chieffo, Anthony Rapp, Sonequa-Martin Green, and Doug Jones. This season they need something to really flesh them out. Tilly had the most character growth, as far as I'm concerned, but she can always use more. I want to know more about Burnham, I want to know how she works, because Starfleet's reaction just seemed bone deep stupid, and I think it was a terrible idea to have a Fed/Klingon war starting the first season, a terrible idea.

Actually, I'd rather they not touch on that again, because I despise the whole line of thought that goes into it. I wasn't a fan of DS9's war arc, either, for that matter.

Here we again. And in a thread about "The Orville". God, I get so tired of this.

By the way, I disagree with you on so many levels. One, I loved the Klingon/Federation War. Considering that the Federation and the Klingons were in a state of "cold war" in "The Original Series", I had no problems that an out-and-out war would eventually lead to a state of cold war that lasted for decades.

Two, "Discovery" has been on the air for one season. One fucking season. It's only natural that the characters on that show or any other show that has been on the air for one season have NOT been fully developed. Not even your precious Sylvia Tilly.

Were you really expecting the characters of "Discovery" or even "The Orville" to be fully fleshed out after one season? I wasn't. I've never heard of such a thing. Not for a television show.

 

[Amaris]

Here we again. And in a thread about "The Orville". God, I get so tired of this.

You have enough energy to reply to a post that didn't ask anything of you.

By the way, I disagree with you on so many levels. One, "Discovery" has been on the air for one season. One fucking season. It's only natural that the characters on that show or any other show that has been on the air for one season has NOT been fully developed. Not even your precious Sylvia Tilly. Thank you, by the way, for somewhat diminishing my appreciation of the character with your comment.

Were you really expecting the characters of "Discovery" or even "The Orville" to be fully fleshed out after one season? I wasn't. I've never heard of such a thing. Not for a television show.

No, I wasn't expecting them to be fully developed. I'd also like it if you'd dial back on the invective since you misunderstood what I said. What I'm saying is that they need to be fleshed out before you throw them into a war arc. Deep Space Nine gave us 3 seasons before they started in on the Dominion War, and we knew who our protagonists were.

 

[LJones41]

You have enough energy to reply to a post that didn't ask anything of you.

I don't care. I don't care anymore than you care about my opinion. That was my natural reaction to what I had read and I posted it.

What I'm saying is that they need to be fleshed out before you throw them into a war arc. Deep Space Nine gave us 3 seasons before they started in on the Dominion War, and we knew who our protagonists were.

What is this? A rule on how to present war in a science-fiction/fantasy show? The writers of "Discovery" didn't have to follow the same pattern as "Deep Space Nine". They could do whatever they want . . . and they did.

 

[Amaris]

I don't care. I don't care anymore than you care about my opinion. That was my natural reaction to what I had read and I posted it.

I cared enough to respond, and I am listening. Seriously, why the attitude? We're talking about a TV show.

 

[Mudd]

Were you really expecting the characters of "Discovery" or even "The Orville" to be fully fleshed out after one season? I wasn't. I've never heard of such a thing. Not for a television show.

I expected a Trek series, at this late date, to be competently and professionally written at a minimum. STD was not. I expect Trek to at least pretend to show some respect for the intelligence of its viewers. STD showed very little. Oh, and whether the Klingon War "makes sense" as part of continuity is beside the point when everything about the war storyline was amateurish, implausible, disjointed and dumb.

So, you know, fuck 'em.

 

[CaptainMurdock]

A majority of the characters on The Orville were far more fleshed out than all of the characters on Discovery. And that was within one season I might add.

 

[fireproof78]

The thing that hurts me the most about being a long time Trek fan? Is simply not caring about Discovery. For all the wink-nod moments and TOS fan service, I see very little of what makes Star Trek "Star Trek". I see a show that is simply living off of name recognition.

I can appreciate your point of view, but I cannot share it. I have not cared about different Trek shows since TNG came out so that's not really a new experience for me. TOS is always my "first Trek" as it were, and the rest are shadows, at best. Discovery is different because I at least have started in to the show as it began and actually wanted to continue on, unlike TNG, which had to grow on me, as well as DS9. There is little I can say about VOY and ENT other than they had some ok episodes.

It really hurts me to say that The Orville is "better Star Trek" than Discovery. I've spent the prior 42 years being an unabashed fan of the Trek franchise. It is like rooting for the Patriots, Jets or Bills after being a lifelong Dolphins fan.

Again, I can respect this POV, but I cannot agree with it. These are not competing athletic teams were there must be a winner and a loser. These are takes on science fiction, and two different ones. Any more than DS9 was "worse Trek" than VOY or vice versa. Or, more aptly, that a person could not enjoy Stargate SG-1 and Star Trek at the same time.

The one that simply said "we made it", the one that showed we could get along, even when we're different.

Again, agree to disagree. TOS was not stranger to conflict among the crew, and not everyone got along. humanity's survival was part of it, but it wasn't an easy path to get there. I think Discovery demonstrates how rough that path could be.

 

[thribs]

Discovery has no Yaphit and that is why it will fail.

 

[fireproof78]

Discovery has no Yaphit and that is why it will fail.

In that case, I'm totally fine with it failing if it means nothing like that.

now, talk to me about a Horta crewmember and I'll be on board.

 

[Mudd]

Hey, they added Sneezing Lizard!

 

[Amaris]

Hey, they added Sneezing Lizard!

Yep. That would be the "we can be funny too!" attempt to catch some of The Orville's viewership.

 

[fireproof78]

Yep. That would be the "we can be funny too!" attempt to catch some of The Orville's viewership.

Yup...that one season cemented the humor of it immediately...

 

[Amaris]

Yup...that one season cemented the humor of it immediately...

It's not that, either. For example, I love Tilly, and found her to be the most fun character. The problem is the timing of the DSC trailer, where the whole tone of the second season has changed from the first season. It's clear that by using the pop music score ("Fly Away" by Lenny Kravitz), and adding in the funny scene in the turbolift, that they're aware of The Orville's popularity, and would like to bring those viewers to DSC. Nothing wrong with that, it's just something I notice.

Seriously, guys, no need to get defensive. I like Discovery, too. It's just clear who is currently cribbing. It's kind of funny because The Orville draws its inspiration from the TNG era, while DSC has now started borrowing from The Orville, to at least some degree.

Maybe DSC will surpass The Orville in creativity and fun, or maybe they can just run parallel and fans of both shows (like myself) get to win/win.

 

[Ovation]

DSC has now started borrowing from The Orville, to at least some degree.

Nah. Far likelier it’s cribbing from Kelvinverse Trek—the one with humour and “contemporary” music (and the one Kurtzman had a big hand in crafting).

 

[thribs]

The music thing is odd as it would be like us having a party with Beethoven music in the background.
They should at least try and make something that could be futuristic.

 

[Ovation]

The music thing is odd as it would be like us having a party with Beethoven music in the background.
They should at least try and make something that could be futuristic.

Not really. First, it’s not a period piece, so there’s no need for “accuracy” for the music. Second, trying to guess what “futuristic” music centuries from now might sound like has never generated anything that doesn’t sound like a poor version of something contemporary. Third, the real world point of using contemporary music is as a nod to the audience and is just a filmmaking convention. Fourth, I’ve been to parties where some of the music was a century old or more (and it wasn’t “classical”), so catching a slice of a party where the music is “old” is not a big deal.

 

[BillJ]

Watched "Pria" last night. In the grandest tradition of sci-fi, the time travel elements make little sense, but the characters hit it out of the park. Loved the practical jokes between Malloy and Isaac.

On a more serious note, seems odd that Mercer would have that kind of authority to destroy something of such immense scientific value/curiosity. Maybe he touched base with Union command?

 

[Jayson1]

Here we again. And in a thread about "The Orville". God, I get so tired of this.

By the way, I disagree with you on so many levels. One, I loved the Klingon/Federation War. Considering that the Federation and the Klingons were in a state of "cold war" in "The Original Series", I had no problems that an out-and-out war would eventually lead to a state of cold war that lasted for decades.

Two, "Discovery" has been on the air for one season. One fucking season. It's only natural that the characters on that show or any other show that has been on the air for one season have NOT been fully developed. Not even your precious Sylvia Tilly.

Were you really expecting the characters of "Discovery" or even "The Orville" to be fully fleshed out after one season? I wasn't. I've never heard of such a thing. Not for a television show.

I disagree with the notion of giving a show a pass because the characters aren't fleshed out in season 1. It's something only we Trek fans would use as a excuse because of the somewhat unique nature of TNG where it was allowed to stay around long enough to improve. Most shows that didn't have "Star Trek" in the title would have been canned if the shows characters weren't at least somewhat developed in season 1.

It's true characters do grow and change if a show is good enough to last many seasons but I think most of the better shows have characters that a truly compelling even in season 1. I think "Orville" has that and I think "Discovery" has that as well except Burnham. Which really ends up being the issue. When the star isn't the best character on the show or even in the running it sort of brings things down across the board IMO.

Luckily the show is a Trek show so it gets a chance to improve Burnham and thus improve the show. Basically you want what happened on "DS9' to happen. That show got better as the SIsko character got better once they started figuring out how to write towards Avery Brooks strengths. To be honest I am not sure what SMG's strengths are but I do know it isn't the speechifying that they often have her doing. She is never going to be a Picard that sounds profound and wise. Maybe if they started making fun with her brooding like they did with the Angel character on "Angel" it would work better and where even she makes fun of it. They need IMO to really start taking the character less serious and try and work from that were even she knows she is a stick in the mud and wants to improve her personality. Maybe she would work better as a character who didn't really like themselves so much. It would also be a Trek first because the serious lead is often full of confidence. Insecurity would be a fun new trait to play in a serious lead since we haven't seen that before in the Captain character.

Jason