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Spoilers The Walking Dead - Season 9 discussion and spoilers

Just out of curiosity, I Googled what the sweeps weeks were for the year, and, lo and behold, they're October 25 thru November 21, which is where Rick's final episode will air. So, AMC is confident everybody will tune in to see Rick's final episode, and be able to charge out the ass for ads for the remainder of the season. THAT's why they're not waiting for the mid-season finale!
 
So no one seems to have noticed just how happy Ezekiel and Carol are....which seems like doom for someone, presumably Ezekiel. It would very much sadden me if that happened.

And along those lines...

Rick is showing hope...a moral compass...so i guess he IS dying (if patterns hold).

One old pattern -- only one black major character living at an extended time, seems to have switched to having a living doctor. So i wonder if Enid or Siddiq are in danger?

Also, with the Saviors... i assume they have OTHER communities they were oppressing (with the 4 lieutenants having at least 1 they are in charge of .. possibly up to 4 each). What is happening with them? Would they be interested in helping, as a liberated community?


I haven't read the comics...but to me, the Heapsters seemed like a variation of the Whisperers (i.e. their method of talking seems like a communication variation of the WHisperers).
 
I don't see how it could, since the Saviors aren't going to just forget about their dead comrades, and now that Maggie, Daryl, and the Oceansiders have gotten the ball rolling on revenge killing, there are lots of people with scores to settle.

...and as militant as the ex-Saviors were/are, if they turn the tables on the heroes, that price should not be limited to the actors leaving the show, as that's too predictable.

I just think Daryl is a bit too much in the quiet reluctant loner mode to be an effective leader, as demonstrated by his reticence to lead the Savior factory. But if he's responsible for Rick's death somehow, I could see that being a strong catalyst for him to change into that kind of leader.

I think the problem with Daryl having anything to do with a theorized Rick death is that the fallout with Michonne would have to change the entire direction of the series; Michonne's attempt to build a new government could lead her to oppose Daryl as the last champion of the world Rick and Carl wanted. While someone might think Daryl will see the light after he's played a role in a tragedy, he cannot change overnight in some wishy-washy fashion, so he--still believing Maggie's idea of justice & control--should face backlash, and if the showrunners had backbone, Daryl might become a villain for a time.
 
So no one seems to have noticed just how happy Ezekiel and Carol are....which seems like doom for someone, presumably Ezekiel. It would very much sadden me if that happened.
Ezekiel's certainly more likely to be killed off than Carol. Given Kirkman's rule that Carol must be kept alive in the show.
Also, Ezekiel gets killed off around this point in the storyline in the comics.
Also, with the Saviors... i assume they have OTHER communities they were oppressing (with the 4 lieutenants having at least 1 they are in charge of .. possibly up to 4 each). What is happening with them?
The Outposts the Saviors operated weren't really communities so much as bases for the Saviors outside the Sanctuary. We saw a few of these already, the observatory Rick and the Gang made their first strike in season 6, the one where the Hilltop's POWs were from in season 8. Eugene's bullet factory became an Outpost during season 8.
 
The competitive scheduling is killing me. I missed the end of Doctor Who so I wouldn't miss the start of TWD and sticking with this to the end made me miss the start of the encore of The Last Ship.

Curse you cable programmers!

Not that I regret catching all of TWD, cause it was a good episode. I just think I'll have to start watching everything on demand.

What the heck? #mid20thCenturyProblems
 
Oh, boy. Maggie and Daryl really went to the Dark Side in this one. When Maggie realized that the Oceansider was inspired by her execution of Gregory, I thought she was going to come around. I couldn't believe it when she walked away. I think I see what's going to happen now. Rick will be martyred to the cause of a lawful society, which will cause Maggie to leave and Daryl to take up the mantle of leadership. I'd kind of expect Micchone to do that, but Daryl is the fan favorite.

And Jadis is seeing helicopters again. And now she's in contact with them-- and, apparently, providing them with letter-graded abductees? Looks like Gabriel may not be long for this world, so it's a good thing he believes in an afterlife. But the really weird thing is, why didn't anybody else notice that helicopter. In the darkness and silence of a post-Apocalyptic night, those sounds and lights would carry far.

And, although the vigilante-style hunting and killing of former Saviors is wrong, it does bring up a point that Rick overlooked. While most of the people who lived in the factory were just oppressed peasants who had no choice but to obey Negan's authority, there were people who worked for him willingly and happily, and enjoyed the license to be brutal-- people like Simon, and the two who were killed last night. Perhaps they, like Negan, should have been treated as war criminals. Maggie made an error in not holding a trial for Gregory, but Rick may have made a similar error in not holding trials for Negan's storm troopers.
 
So no one seems to have noticed just how happy Ezekiel and Carol are....which seems like doom for someone, presumably Ezekiel. It would very much sadden me if that happened.

Carol seems to be set to be the last person standing of the original quarry group from season 1, with anyone close to her meeting an unfortunate end, whether that's Sophia, the Samuels sisters, Ezekiel...or Daryl.

Rick is showing hope...a moral compass...so i guess he IS dying (if patterns hold).

I think its clear that the series is hard-selling the idea that its very nature means there's no hope until the series reaches its end. In other words, like a war, many will fight, others will try to call for peace, but along the way, they will lose. Only a select few--probably the most hopeful of all (e.g. Michonne at least since season 5) being the driving force to achieve happiness / restoration of civilization.

Also, with the Saviors... i assume they have OTHER communities they were oppressing (with the 4 lieutenants having at least 1 they are in charge of .. possibly up to 4 each). What is happening with them? Would they be interested in helping, as a liberated community?

Do we know they have other communities? If they did, are they still standing...only in a Negan-free period falling into the hands of the Commonwealth or the Whisperers?
 
This series is so boring now. I should just give it up already. It used to be great but the magic is long gone.
 
What are you looking for in the show that it's not giving you right now?

I don't think there's anything left to give. It's been running on empty for years. It's been extremely maudlin and dull for far too long. I do like Negan despite everything but the show feels like it has one and a half feet in the grave. Pardon the pun.

I can just stop watching. At least its still on for those who enjoy it.
 
I think the show took the right course correction this season. I understand why people are mad at it though - world building isn't the survival horror that the show featured early on.
 
I think the show took the right course correction this season. I understand why people are mad at it though - world building isn't the survival horror that the show featured early on.
But eventually, realistically, the show has to get to the point of world building. The walkers can't actually walk forever, and the bigger you make your world, the safer it is from living humans banding together to be assholes. If you want nothing but pointless wandering and just killing stuff over and over again SyFy's got Z-Nation for that.

I agree. I like the direction the show has taken.
 
I meant, if you were the showrunner, what would you do--what changes would you make, or directions you would take to improve things?

I'd end it. 9 seasons is more than enough for any show. If the quality was still there I'd understand keeping it going but it's not in my opinion. But to be honest I wouldn't accept a job running a dying show in the first place unless I was broke, desperate and had no choice.
 
I'd end it. 9 seasons is more than enough for any show. If the quality was still there I'd understand keeping it going but it's not in my opinion. But to be honest I wouldn't accept a job running a dying show in the first place unless I was broke, desperate and had no choice.
This isn't an answer.

You keep saying there's something deficient about the current episodes of TWD, and you've been asked twice about what those deficiencies are, but all we get is "It's not as good anymore" and "I'd end it." Why is it not as good anymore? Why is cancellation the only remedy? What are the showrunners doing wrong?
 
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