Maybe a future episode will explore the question of whether Lynda Carter's character should be charged with a crime, including treason.
Supergirl - Season Four
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Are you really equating the two situations? Nobody forced her to run for president and risk undermining our entire system of government. It was a selfish and irresponsible move at best.
Seconded.
I finally saw the first two episodes of season 4. Nia is amazing.
She is. I also like that she's actually doing stuff relevant to the plot. The scene in the pizzeria was very good.
It looked to me like he did.
It's ridiculous hyperbole to say that our entire system of government would be undermined by someone lying about her birth certificate. It makes you sound like a Birther. The American system of government is designed to withstand misdeeds from one of its branches, because the other two are there to provide checks on it (at least, under normal circumstances, unlike the current real-world mess). So it takes more than one lawbreaking official to destroy the government. Remember Nixon? He committed far greater crimes than lying about his birthplace, and he didn't destroy the system.
Also, you seem to have overlooked that Marsdin voluntarily stepped down and refused to accept a pardon. Whatever legal consequences there are, she has already consented to face them. So your self-righteous indignation is invalid.
Really, I find it pretty preposterous to make such a huge deal over such a minor matter as someone's technical eligibility for a job. It's not like place of birth dictates someone's ability to do the job. It's not like someone who never went to medical school pretending to be a doctor. It's a technicality, like someone lying about their age to join the military. Yes, it's a violation of the rules, but it doesn't make them evil or incompetent or threaten the whole system. It's not that hard a thing to forgive, unless you're really, really looking for an excuse to demonize someone.
Last we heard, Lex was in prison. If he'd escaped, I think we would've heard about it. Superman probably wouldn't have let himself go offworld if he knew Lex were at large. So unless the Lex in prison is a robot or a hologram or something, it's probably not Lex.
Still, the idea of Sam Witwer playing Lex Luthor is intriguing.
Agent Liberty being Lex Luthor is an extremely dumb idea that isn't even remotely true, as will be shown on this coming Sunday's episode of Supergirl (Man of Steel).
Lex would show his face.
By the way, when Lena mentioned that Mercy wanted to find a way to give humans powers equal to aliens, my first thought was, "Has she considered a particle-accelerator explosion?"
Not necessarily: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom_Man_vs._Superman
Not necessarily: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom_Man_vs._Superman
Lex hasn’t really been the criminal mastermind type in a while. Based on how he’s been described, the show’s Lex is closer to the modern versions.
Just a guess.
She didn’t dismiss his experience though, just gave hers. Hers is actually comparable to those of the aliens on show as well. Trans people who pass as cis people frequently hide who they are out of fear of persecution and violence, it’s called going stealth. If their trans stasis is revealed they face potential violence and even death, this is an every day fact of life for trans people. Even more so for trans people of color, the life expectancy of a trans woman of color is 35 in the US due to the high rate of murder.
I was thinking the same thing. Many times a new baddie in disguise gets revealed to be an old baddie, but in disguise.Just a guess.
Just a guess, of course.
While certainly true, let's not kid ourselves – if she was from Earth, let alone was judged to be the right person from Earth, the discovery she was in the same violation there wouldn't have sparked this big a reaction, and under the right circumstances it would have been a scandal that lasted for a week and was summarily forgotten.
You could argue that aliens posing as humans violate no law, and in fact any reference to people, men and humans in the law includes aliens as well. So only thing she violated was she wasn't born in America or to American parents, and neither the people who protested her as a traitor, nor Supergirl knows for certain if she actually violated the former part. Superman, for example, might qualify to be POTUS under some wide interpretation as he landed there as a baby.
So nobody cares she violated clauses from the constitution. We know we hardly care if a POTUS has done that. It's only a tool here. It's all about her being an alien, not law.
Illegitimate with no legal consequence prescribed. Should be a little bit undramatic. Unless politicians, or in this case show runners, want to turn up the drama.
I'm liking her first days at CatCo more than I did Kara's. She's leaving far more of an impression.
I can't wait for her to discover her powers. I started watching the show because of the rooftop scene, and she's in for two major discoveries this season – she knows Supergirl, and she can dream about things to come (I presume – I don't know what her power is going to be). I'm kind of hoping both happen at the same time. But most of all, I just want to see her join the rest of our guys. Looks like it's going to be Brainy first, which I'm liking so far.
I remember being slighly sceptical about Lena believing that Kara knew Supergirl – yeah right, you're hanging with an alien superhero, just like that. So Nia casually hanging with Brainiac 5 would be nice follow-up to that for me.
Nope. A child of non-Americans not born in America is the very definition of not natural born American. Or are you saying that Jor-El or Lara was actually an American?
Nia and Brainy needs to be a thing.While certainly true, let's not kid ourselves – if she was from Earth, let alone was judged to be the right person from Earth, the discovery she was in the same violation there wouldn't have sparked this big a reaction, and under the right circumstances it would have been a scandal that lasted for a week and was summarily forgotten.
You could argue that aliens posing as humans violate no law, and in fact any reference to people, men and humans in the law includes aliens as well. So only thing she violated was she wasn't born in America or to American parents, and neither the people who protested her as a traitor, nor Supergirl knows for certain if she actually violated the former part. Superman, for example, might qualify to be POTUS under some wide interpretation as he landed there as a baby.
So nobody cares she violated clauses from the constitution. We know we hardly care if a POTUS has done that. It's only a tool here. It's all about her being an alien, not law.
Illegitimate with no legal consequence prescribed. Should be a little bit undramatic. Unless politicians, or in this case show runners, want to turn up the drama.
I'm liking her first days at CatCo more than I did Kara's. She's leaving far more of an impression.
I can't wait for her to discover her powers. I started watching the show because of the rooftop scene, and she's in for two major discoveries this season – she knows Supergirl, and she can dream about things to come (I presume – I don't know what her power is going to be). I'm kind of hoping both happen at the same time. But most of all, I just want to see her join the rest of our guys. Looks like it's going to be Brainy first, which I'm liking so far.
I remember being slighly sceptical about Lena believing that Kara knew Supergirl – yeah right, you're hanging with an alien superhero, just like that. So Nia casually hanging with Brainiac 5 would be nice follow-up to that for me.
That would explain why she went to a pizzeria to get coffee, she was having a nap immediately before going...
It sure seems they're headed that way.
Birthers believed Obama was lying about his origins with no evidence other than racism, conspiracy theory, and rumor. In this case, we have concrete proof that the President of the United States was ineligible to hold the office, and she knew it from the beginning. You're once again equating two situations that are very, very different.
Are you referring to Watergate or his treason in sabotaging the Vietnam peace talks during the run-up to the 1968 presidential election? For the latter, yes, he certainly should have ended up in prison.
As for whose actions would be more likely to bring our system of government to the breaking point: I'm going with President Marsden on this one. She opened up the potential invalidation of every action of her administration, every signed piece of legislation, every judicial decision made with her appointed judges, and every investigation/lawsuit performed by her appointed justice officials. At minimum, she set-back the alien rights movement by years; at worst, she helped foster an insurrectionist movement in our own country by lighting the fires of bigotry and fear (something she should have known would have happened when/if her lies were uncovered).
I'm still waiting for some remorse and/or actual consequences in the form of prison.
You're massively under-estimating the constitutional and societal cluster-@%$# that would would result from President Marsden's actions. Her actions were irresponsible and reckless.
