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Supergirl - Season Four

^ Just so we're clear, I sympathize with you and find stj's comment - and what it implies - disturbing and offensive, and I'm a cishet man.

I also have a question I want to ask, but will reach out to you privately.
 
The only implications are that I didn't know who Nicole Maines is and that I thought Supergirl producers were entirely capable of hiring a woman to play a transgender character and that I was disapproving. That may be unfair to them, but no, I don't share the majority's adoration of producers. I'm not feeling the outrage and remain entirely unrepentant for the lese-majeste. The rest is simply malice. That is no doubt because calling out the squalid Trumpery in the Birtherist story line is so offensive. Finding satisfaction in a fiction where Birtherism is true, true, true vs. thinking male voices are distinct after puberty? I know very well which one is worse.
 
stj said:
The only implications are that I didn't know who Nicole Maines is and that I thought Supergirl producers were entirely capable of hiring a woman to play a transgender character and that I was disapproving. That may be unfair to them, but no, I don't share the majority's adoration of producers. I'm not feeling the outrage and remain entirely unrepentant for the lese-majeste. The rest is simply malice. That is no doubt because calling out the squalid Trumpery in the Birtherist story line is so offensive. Finding satisfaction in a fiction where Birtherism is true, true, true vs. thinking male voices are distinct after puberty? I know very well which one is worse.
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I have no idea what you are trying to say there. It's like a jumbled heap of thought.
 
^ Apparently stj doesn't have confidence in the Arrowverse casting team to have actually cast a transgender person to play a transgender role and was trying to clarify that as if it somehow lessens the negative nature of his/her previous comment about Nia as a character and Nicole as an actress.

It doesn't, though.
 
Okay, I can certainly understand being triggered by what @stj said, as my first impulse was similar, but look at it this way: the show and Nicole Maine just broadened @stj 's idea of what transwomen can be and look like. That's progress, that's a good thing.

Or maybe I'm looking too hard for ans silver lining, I don't know. I just feel that getting angry at @stj , isn't going to do any good, aside maybe from making yourself feel temporarily better.
 
David Spy Pumpkins said:
Okay, I can certainly understand being triggered by what @stj said, as my first impulse was similar, but look at it this way: the show and Nicole Maine just broadened @stj 's idea of what transwomen can be and look like. That's progress, that's a good thing.

Or maybe I'm looking too hard for ans silver lining, I don't know. I just feel that getting angry at @stj , isn't going to do any good, aside maybe from making yourself feel temporarily better.
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I think that's a good point. Representation matters not only for those being represented, but for what it can teach all of us, if we're open to it.
 
One negative side effect for Marsdin lying about her alien status IMO is that it hurts your party. You know the Democrats would suffer huge losses in elections after something like this where people would either have to come out and support her or call her out on it. Plus your basically opening the doors for McCarthism to take hold and you might be opening the door for that world's Trump who might just be Trump who was never elected. Show isn't super subtle but that might even be a little to over-the-top for them.

Jason
 
Marsdin's VP is now her successor, and unless his views are radically different from hers - although I don't know why they would be given that she chose him as her running mate - there probably won't be any significant shifts in policy unless both branches of Congress are controlled by Republicans (the House is, but we don't know about the Senate).
 
Not to be a nitpicker, but am I the only one who is wondering how Brainy's image enhancer (not sure of the name) came to be sold nationwide by L Corp? And why, even if they had the specifications for making one, HIS enhancer would be THEIR primary user such that when L Corp was hacked his would fail first?

Maybe that's how he earned enough money to buy that Legion ring, using the money he earned over 10 centuries of compound interest on the 31st cent patents he sold to 21st century Lena Luthor.

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I did love the stuff with Kara, Lena and Miss Tessmacher running around in the L Corp building and the way Lena kept putting herself between Mercy and Kara to keep her safe.

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I also loved how the first words out of Lena's mouth when Supergirl arrived on the scene WEREN'T "thanks" but rather "how did you bypass the lockdown?!" Certainly suggests Lena still hasn't forgiven SG for the events of last year.

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I also suspect I know how Lillian is going to get back at Lena for playing her into revealing old minions Lena could betray to the DA.

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Lillian is going to take away Lena's only (since Sam moved away) friend by finally revealing SG's secret identity. She can even keep her hands clean in the reveal, by leaking the news to Mercy Graves.

For people interested in the new transgender actress playing Nia Nal...

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JanewayRulz! said:
Not to be a nitpicker, but am I the only one who is wondering how Brainy's image enhancer (not sure of the name) came to be sold nationwide by L Corp? And why, even if they had the specifications for making one, HIS enhancer would be THEIR primary user such that when L Corp was hacked his would fail first?
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I thought they all failed at the same time. Maybe I misunderstood. Sorry, can't check the episode anymore.
 
Corporal Cupcake said:
I thought they all failed at the same time.
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That was the plan, but his is the only one that failed before they stopped the hack.
It was explained that his future one was the prototype on which all of those were based so they had to hack it, crash it and then push the crashing update to all of them, but were foiled before the last step.
 
Batwoman said:
That was the plan, but his is the only one that failed before they stopped the hack.
It was explained that his future one was the prototype on which all of those were based so they had to hack it, crash it and then push the crashing update to all of them, but were foiled before the last step.
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That makes sense. Thanks!
 
The image inducer is an electronic leash. All aliens that filed for amnesty, may have been forced to use/carry an inducer, as a guarantee of their good conduct... Or tricked into thinking that the inducer is a benign good idea... Otherwise how would hundreds of penniless refugees have been able to afford a useful toy that probably cost millions to purchase and thousands of dollars a month to maintain?

(They're tagged like animals!)

If the inducer was also a shock collar or a bomb, suicide squad style, Mercy would have figured that out, and used that function unless she was more interested in chaos, and mob participation, or other long term goals rather than an immediate alien body count.
 
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Guy Gardener said:
Otherwise how would hundreds of penniless refugees have been able to afford a useful toy that probably cost millions to purchase and thousands of dollars a month to maintain?
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You can get it on a plan along with a new lPhone. ;)
 
DigificWriter said:
Marsdin's VP is now her successor, and unless his views are radically different from hers - although I don't know why they would be given that she chose him as her running mate - there probably won't be any significant shifts in policy unless both branches of Congress are controlled by Republicans (the House is, but we don't know about the Senate).
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The thing is if she picked him he will also be seen is someone who can't be trusted. If a President is found guilty of fraud then that is something that will bring down everyone around them in reality, including him. What you think you would see going on in this situation is a Constitutional crisis. I could see this be the opening for the Senate led by the guy who wanted to build a wall and was a stand in fro Trump trying to remove him from office which I believe would make him the new President. Or was that guy from the House? That or you have a election in which case this would be what the entire election would be over.


Jason
 
Jayson1 said:
I could see this be the opening for the Senate led by the guy who wanted to build a wall and was a stand in fro Trump trying to remove him from office which I believe would make him the new President. Or was that guy from the House?
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It was the Speaker of the House, IIRC. But naturally they won't go that route; they went to the trouble of casting Bruce Boxleitner (replacing Brent Spiner, their first pick) as VP/new President Baker, so presumably he's going to stick around for a while. I really hope they don't turn him into a Trump surrogate; I don't want to dislike a Bruce Boxleitner character.
 
Baker becomes the new President at the end of Episode 2; I don't know enough about the chain of succession to know if Congress can actually stop the transfer of power from a President to a Vice President in instances of death, impeachment, or resignation, but it seems to me that the most logical time to throw out Constitutional objections to Baker becoming the new President because of his connections to Marsdin would be in the hours leading up to his being sworn in, not in the days/weeks/months after.

What seems most likely to happen, IMO, is that the Speaker of the House tries to make life as difficult as possible for President Baker and that such 'infighting' becomes a flash point in the wider "humans first" conflict narrative of the season.
 
Batwoman said:
That was the plan, but his is the only one that failed before they stopped the hack.
It was explained that his future one was the prototype on which all of those were based so they had to hack it, crash it and then push the crashing update to all of them, but were foiled before the last step.
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That makes sense but I didin't get that from the episode at all. I thought they all went down at the same time, until Lena fixed it.
 
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