Spoilers Avengers: Infinity War grade and discussion thread
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Nah, they just aren't ashamed of themselves nor are they mouthpieces for artsy-fartsy prima donna directors who hijack pre-existing characters for their own story.
That's an odd way to view the expression of opinions that vary from your own.
Well, aren't you fun?
You know better than this.
Some people just get their jollies pissing all over things that other people enjoy. It makes them feel better about themselves.
I have no problems with the occasional movie by "artsy-fartsy prima donna" directors. Does every single comic book movie have to be made in the same style? If so . . . why? Why not make something different every once in a while?
Sorry, but many people feel the same way about Star Trek, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, and Science Fiction/Fantasy in general--or genre literature in general.
My first love is what some people here call artsy fartsy literature and film. But I also love comic books, horror novels, and science fiction and fantasy (some of which actually falls in the artsy fartsy category for me).
Just because I like eating in quality restaurants doesn't mean I can't love McDonald's too.
Then it works the other way around, right? ...but the worst of the MCU defenders think superhero films only speak to a Power Rangers/cartoony kind of presentation, when the recognized greater superhero films of this century--the Nolan Batman films, Spider-Man 2 (Raimi), and Captain America: The Winter Soldier went in the opposite direction because the story and characters naturally demanded it--thus earning their celebrated status.
The Nolan films were considered good because people had no alternatives, put them out in todays' environment and audiences would be much quicker to pick up on their flaws and plot holes compared to when they came out because they'd know the opposite type of film, one unashamed of itself and driven by the hero instead of the villain, worked just as well.
Spider-Man 2? Same deal, folks would pick up on THAT films plot holes and character cop-outs too.
At least there's color, as opposed to the DCU films.
One might as well say the same for all movies - for non-MCU movies and MCU movies.
History wipes away this lie you continue to post.
At the time Nolan's Batman Begins (2005) premiered, the early 2000s were already stuffed with major superhero and/or non-superhero comic-based films that put the sub-genre on the map unlike any other period in film history:
2000: X-Men
2002:
- Spider-Man
- Blade II
- X2
- Hulk
- Daredevil
- The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
- Spider-Man 2
- Blade: Trinity
- The Punisher
- Catwoman
- Hellboy
- Batman Begins
- Fantastic Four
- Elektra
- Sin City
- Man-Thing
...and after the first Nolan film, the rest (2008's The Dark Knight and 2012's The Dark Knight Rises) were released among the continuing deluge of superhero and/or non-superhero, comic-based films:
2006:
- Superman Returns
- X-Men: The Last Stand
- Spider-Man 3
- Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
- Ghost Rider
- TMNT
- The Dark Knight
- Iron Man
- The Incredible Hulk
- Hellboy 2: The Golden Army
- Punisher: War Zone
- X-Men Origins: Wolverine
- Watchmen
- Kick Ass
- Iron Man 2
- Thor
- Captain America: The First Avenger
- The Green Hornet
- Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance
- The Dark Knight Rises
- The Avengers
- The Amazing Spider-Man
The Nolan films were and remain celebrated while being released in an explosion of superhero and non-superhero comic book films, pre and during the MCU. There's a reason the worst of the fanboys will never admit why these films are held in such high regard: they were fantastic and mature because the story demanded it (like the best comics ever published or films such as Spider-Man 2 or the MCU's lone jewels in the crown, Captain America: The First Avenger / The Winter Soldier & Black Panther), and treated characters as human, not as some wild cartoon bouncing around explosions and quips--most having no lasting impact as a creative work / best example of what a comic movie can be.
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No, if anything it supports it. Batman Begins was seen as good, but not terribly great. The popularity of the Nolan films didn't take off until Dark Knight and that was also partly due to Heath Ledger's you-know-what. In 2008 the audience had been burned from the lackluster finales to the X-Men and Spider-Man series so Nolan had no real competition. The Superman movie was seen as barely mediocre along with the FF movies. The MCU didn't really take off until Avengers in 2012, because their first big critique (they'd never get all the characters together in a good film) had been overcome, and TDKR was also seen as inferior to Dark Knight and coasted by on the goodwill TDK brought more than anything else.
No, just pretentious.
Nolan doesn't write humans, he writes archetypes and one-note fanatics.
Gosh, this conversation is so interesting, we’ve never had it before.
It's not the in-thing, it's the Anwar thing.
Because they're seen as untouchable and the end-all of cinema. Which is just wrong.