Yes really. Sarek was part of planning a Klingon genocide.
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I don't see how that is character assassination.
Not that I endorse what Sarek did at all but if he felt the situation was desperate enough and the Federation had to fight for literal survival, it's a situation where "For a logical reason, a Vulcan can kill." I don't expect him to like it but, when it comes down to pure pragmatism, "them or us", he has to choose "us" if that's the only way to deliver a killer blow to the Klingons and stopping, possibly, the genocide of Earth and other Federation Planets. I like to hope it was a decision he agreed to under duress, that there was a long debate over it, and if he thought there was a third option besides that and surrender, he would've pushed for it.
Would've been nice to see some it, though. One of the drawbacks of trying to wrap everything up in two episodes.
Would've been nice to see some it, though. One of the drawbacks of trying to wrap everything up in two episodes.
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Of course you don't. That would mean admitting that there could be a fault with Discovery which you're clinically unable to do.
Let's just say I'm glad Burnham came up with a third way, that Georgiou doesn't really care one way or another about the Prime Klingons, and that it appealed to L'Rell's ego.
When one thinks about it Sarek was offering his wonderful advice right from the Vulcan Hello with his... this is how Vulcans earn respect from Klingons. Fire on the bastards first! That's some Ambassador skills there . Almost as bad as L'Rell being set up as Klingon leader by virtue of having a detonator.
It's sort of disappointing in a way. We project a certain amount of enlightenment to our Star Trek. Federation values and the Prime Directive. Codes. Yet what makes the world tick now - threats of bigger violence than yours, is portrayed as our future.
Uh I've pointed out faults in DSC before.
Try harder
For all we know this incident is going to make him rethink his life, turn him into the Sarek we know in the later series.
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I get where you are coming from, but I don't think it is character assassination. I think Sarek having the self awareness to realise the plan he endorsed, whilst maybe pragmatic or logical, was inherently wrong and admitting to that is key to holding his character intact.
Sarek is a flawed character. He's pretty bad at being father, and has in the past capitulated to vulcan racism. He needs to stop being put on a pedestal as some virtuous saint-like figure who can do no wrong.
There is pretty damn gigantic distance between 'virtuous saint-like figure who can do no wrong' and 'plotting genocide.'
So?
'The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few or the one' - whilst obviously that saying is not about genocide, I can see how a vulcan or even Sarek could have used that to justify any action.
Obviously Sarek's decision was wrong, he himself admits to that. But let's look at Sarek's and by extension the federation councils reasoning. They are faced with an enemy who is intent on the annihilation of the federation, Trillions of beings across the federation risk extermination or enslavement. There is no negotiating with the Klingons, there is possibly no chance of a military victory. The Federation was backed into a corner and either had the choice to die with their values or live to feel guilty.
You may not like the decision, hell I didn't like the decision, but ultimately it was felt that desperate measures were needed to save the federation.
We know from TNG that Federation is not above endorsing acts of genocide against enemies that threaten it's very survival.
I guess we need to just agree to (super strongly) disagree. I really don't feel like being dragged into another argument about murderous or genocidal warcriminal characters. I've done it to death over Sisko and Archer already. If you're not bothered by this sort of thing, then your headspace is so far divorced from mine that discussion is pointless.
Thanks for insinuating that I'm sort of inhuman genocide apologist because i disagree with you over a fictional character and their motivations. Way to jump the gun, pal.
I don't give a damn about your committee and its opinions on my work! Have you forgotten, sir, that we were at war? A fight with an alien race for the very survival of our species? I feel I must remind you, that it is an undeniable and may I say a fundamental quality of man that when faced with extinction, every alternative is preferable!
— The Director of Project Freelancer, Red vs. Blue
— The Director of Project Freelancer, Red vs. Blue
Discussion is rarely pointless. Otherwise, how do we learn from one another?
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I like the Season 2 Trailer.
Who else agrees with me? Or, for that matter, doesn't?
Who else agrees with me? Or, for that matter, doesn't?
It's an improvement. 
The actor who voiced him had such a great voice.
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