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Jadeb said:
Discovery is the current and future face of the franchise.
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True enough.

At one time, the same was true of TAS.
At one time, the same was true of ST:TMP.
At one time, the same was true of Enterprise.
 
I Am Kirok said:
I'll stick to talking about teams I like and follow, and leave those fans to their peace.
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Are you always complimentary of the teams you follow? I've been a Miami Dolphins fan for forty years, and there have been good and not-so good versions of the team. I don't quit following them because one (or several) years they play poorly. And I also talk about them through good times and bad.

Discovery is the bad years for me, so far (the years where they've hired less than stellar folks on the sidelines), still am interested in its impact on the overall franchise.
 
Serveaux said:
True enough.

At one time, the same was true of TAS.
At one time, the same was true of ST:TMP.
At one time, the same was true of Enterprise.
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Yep. Everything is temporary, it seems. Except TOS. We'll still be talking about it long after Discovery has moved on.
 
Ricky Spanish said:
Are you always complimentary of the teams you follow?
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Can't speak for the quoted poster, but I at least try to be. Those guys have a tough enough job with their fan base dragging them through the mud constantly.

Regardless, I can always find something positive about the things I enjoy. That's my goal in life is to find that positive rather than sit there and take pot shots at something I claim to love in the name of how it "should" be to me.
 
Time is the Fire said:
Regardless, I can always find something positive about the things I enjoy. That's my goal in life is to find that positive rather than sit there and take pot shots at something I claim to love in the name of how it "should" be to me.
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Problem for a lot of us is, that anything negative we say gets magnified to the Nth degree, while most of the positive things we say get ignored.

I've been more than complimentary towards the acting for all of Discovery's first season. Less so the writing and design, but those are the things people eat up.

I was more than complimentary towards the first trailer. That gets lost. Because people are more interested in needling me for losing interest once I find out there's more Klingon non-sense, and now the Talosians.
 
Ricky Spanish said:
Problem for a lot of us is, that anything negative we say gets magnified to the Nth degree, while most of the positive things we say get ignored.
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True enough and I'm guilty of that too I'll admit. It unfortunately joins a rather large ball of negativity that becomes more and more personal and very frustrating.

In general, not directed towards any one in particular:

For me, my biggest struggle is the constant needling that Discovery gets in the detraction. Does Discovery have problems? Yup, but I don't think it mandates grinding on Discovery for not being more like the Orville, or the producers not having a plan, or things of that ilk.

If it relates to the actual content of the show then bring on the critiques. But, if it's just "Oh, nostalgia" "Oh, they changed X." "Oh that's the wrong way to do Klingons" then I'm losing sight of any actual problems and just seeing ways of measuring up Discovery so it can fail. Yeah, that's my feeling. Discovery is not being set up to succeed in any meaningful way is how it comes across.
 
I would like to hear lots of creepy guitar with extra reverb every time a talosian is seen.
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then I would like it to turn out that they mentally project that music
 
Ricky Spanish said:
Problem for a lot of us is, that anything negative we say gets magnified to the Nth degree, while most of the positive things we say get ignored.

I've been more than complimentary towards the acting for all of Discovery's first season. Less so the writing and design, but those are the things people eat up.

I was more than complimentary towards the first trailer. That gets lost. Because people are more interested in needling me for losing interest once I find out there's more Klingon non-sense, and now the Talosians.
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Ironically, I know what you mean.

If it bleeds, it leads. That's part of why I didn't post much on TrekBBS around the time of Star Trek Into Darkness. I figured some people would want to know what I thought, so I made my one post, said what I thought, then got the Hell out of Dodge.

Another time, way, way back, I said I thought the TNG Movies weren't very good. I think this might've been right around the time Nemesis came out. Maybe a little bit after. Then someone sarcastically said about me, "Some people are still upset that Star Trek moved passed Kirk and Spock!"

So I know how it is.
 
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Tuskin38 said:
That's been known for months.
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Not everyone keeps up on every tidbit of information. As big of a Trek fan as I am, I didn't even know there was a second season two trailer until someone in the Spock thread told me.
 
Ricky Spanish said:
The content of the show is nostalgia heavy, and I don't think anyone would argue otherwise. Now, whether that is a problem or not, is up to the individual viewer.
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But, that isn't a criticism because that does nothing to evaluate the work on its own merits. At least, not to my view. It simply slights DISCO for some nostalgia grab (apparently Sarek is big nostalgia? I guess :shrug:) without going any deeper than that.

If people don't enjoy it, fine. But, my attitude is to leave nostalgia aside and approach DISCO on its own merits within the Star Trek universe. I have no bench mark of what it "should be."
 
Time is the Fire said:
But, that isn't a criticism because that does nothing to evaluate the work on its own merits.
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It is a criticism, because it goes to the heart of the biggest problem with the show: an overall lack of creativity. An embracing of Small Universe Syndrome that makes Enterprise season four look fresh in comparison.
 
Ricky Spanish said:
The content of the show is nostalgia heavy, and I don't think anyone would argue otherwise. Now, whether that is a problem or not, is up to the individual viewer.
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I would say that the current advertising is nostalgia heavy, not so much the content of the show.

The content of the show has mostly just been crap.
 
Regardless of the quality of the show -- which we don't agree about but that's not where I'm going to go with this -- if they're still trying to rope in Trekkies who aren't watching, it makes sense for them to want to push what those fans know to make them want to watch. "Spock! The Enterprise! Pike, that guy from the 2009 movie! I gotta see this!" It's not just TOS Fans that can be roped in with this. Fans of the Abrams Films too, because those are also what they're familiar with. I can see why that's what the advertisers want to push.
 
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