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How do you rate The Woman Who Fell to Earth?


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Interesting how they highlighted the upcoming guest stars but I also loved the wide diversity! I don't think we've ever seen that for Doctor Who. I only recognized a handful of names and-HOLY CRAP, Chris Noth?! I don't think we knew he was going to appear!

Here's the trailer for the second episode, "The Ghost Monument."

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Thanks for posting the link! Hope the episode is good as the prepackaged label.




hmmmm....

It's a shame it was such a bog standard story which combined with the lack of TARDIS and general lack of regeneration transition made it hard to get excited over. I felt like Jodie at times didn't quite inhabit the character yet and kind of just felt like just reciting lines. Though I think her "sorry" may be the first genuine one of the nu Doctor era.

Next week will hopefully be a better barometer of what her Who will be like now that they've got this establishing one out of the way. With so few episodes it seems a shame to go with what felt like a throwaway.

I think I liked her in 12's clothes better than the outfit she ultimately chose. :) Hopefully it grows on me with time. It's kind of nice having her build the sonic on-screen, gives a little more ownership (or whatever the proper word would be...) to it. Companions are OK but like everything in this episode, I'm not sold yet.


Wait, it was Tennant who kept parroting "sorry". How's Whittaker's usage different?

13 in 12's pants was rather fetching. Putting on the Atari 2600 breakout shirt with TARDIS blue capris is still laughable.

I definitely agree as it's the same - each new Doctor needs a bunch of stories to settle in. The only exceptions I can think of might be are Tom Baker and Jon Pertwee. Could go either way. It'd take a bit to get below season 24, though.
 
Loved it. I wasn't fond of the Moffat era and gave up on it mid way through Capaldi. To me this was a return to the best of the RTD years. Ok the alien plot line wasn't amazing but the characters and script were fun and Whittaker nailed it.

Plus travelling by accident with a bunch of mates, to me much more engaging than the Impossible Girl.

Sounds good. I'm trying to figure out if I want to start watching Who again. I'd been watching since Eccelston, but I sorta drifted off about mid-way through Capaldi's first season, and while I liked him, I didn't really miss it. I just figured my time with Who had run it's course.



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Of course BBC America minimized the closing credits and muted the music for that premiered party "tosh". "Tosh"? is that the right word?

I may have missed an establishing shot and/or line, but when did the "data coils" appear in the construction site? We were focused upon the "predator" trying to claim his prize and suddenly Grace is trying to electrocute the "coils", leading to her fatal fall. It just seemed as though it were just suddenly there.

Speaking of Grace's fall, I bet the Doctor thought, "Ooh, that brings back an unpleasant moment!" Actually, I wonder if the staging of that shot with friends and family gathering around her crumpled form was a lil "homage" to Tom Baker's farewell?
 
Not a bad episode. Much of the plot is pretty standard Doctor Who fare, but I accept this episode is more about introducing and establishing a new Doctor and companions, and the episode certainly does that. Whittaker hits the ground running and the new characters have potential. An enjoyable episode which leaves me optimistic for the episode. I will complain about the video suggestions to the side of Ryan's YouTube video, particularly the one about "Pidgeon Man." Amusing, yes, but distracting and pretty much robbed the scene of any emotional weight it was meant to convey.
Anyone else notice Graham said Aliens aren't real? did they just retool the entire show and throw out the last 13 years :(
Everyone is always in a state of denial about aliens. This has been a thing in Doctor Who stories involving characters from modern times since at least Remembrance of the Daleks in the 80s.
 
Why not? Davison's aired two of its four-part stories on a Monday and Tuesday initially, and for each of his seasons had a minor day swap. Sunday's a day the show's never ever been aired on before. Relish it! :)
I actually never knew that ... I thought Doctor Who had always aired on a Saturday.

Still not enough to assuage my bitter disappointment last night, but I'll get over it sometime today, I imagine.
 
I may have missed an establishing shot and/or line, but when did the "data coils" appear in the construction site? We were focused upon the "predator" trying to claim his prize and suddenly Grace is trying to electrocute the "coils", leading to her fatal fall. It just seemed as though it were just suddenly there.
Tim Shaw arrived on the site "off screen" (as seen from the perspective of the guy in the trailer) so presumably the coils arrived at the same time and went off to do its own thing. After that, there was at least one shot where we saw the coils doing whatever on the bottom of the crane The Doctor, Ryan, and Yaz were on, which led to Grace and Graham deciding to help out after evacuating everyone out.

Speaking of Grace's fall, I bet the Doctor thought, "Ooh, that brings back an unpleasant moment!" Actually, I wonder if the staging of that shot with friends and family gathering around her crumpled form was a lil "homage" to Tom Baker's farewell?
I think it's safe to say that was a tribute to The Fourth Doctor's farewell.

will complain about the video suggestions to the side of Ryan's YouTube video, particularly the one about "Pidgeon Man." Amusing, yes, but distracting and pretty much robbed the scene of any emotional weight it was meant to convey.
Yeah, I was bothered by that, too. However, I did like how the opening fooled us to thinking Ryan was talking about The Doctor when instead he was talking about his nan.
 
Oh, also, what BBC America aired was not a true "simulcast". I assumed like "Day of the Doctor" it would be the actual BBC feed and thus no commercials. Nope, commercial after commercial after commercial. I bet the BBC transmission concluded nearly 30 minutes before BBC America's. Then again, they never claimed "commercial free", but the same start time kinda' implies that.
 
Yeah, the weird start time is kind of odd if it wasn't going to be an actual simulcast. I doubt anyone would care if they held off fifteen minutes and got it in on the hour like the rest of North American programming.
 
An impressive debut for Whittaker and Chibnall. Right off the bat, it's strikingly different in tone from Moffat's larger-than-life, bombastic fairy tales, more grounded even than Russell T. Davies's take -- but simultaneously visually stunning, with beautiful location work in the opening scenes. I felt it sometimes went a little too far in having the Doctor explain everything about herself, leaving little in the way of mystery for her companions or for new viewers, but I did like how it was more thoughtful and introspective than the Moffat era with its greater focus on emotion and showy cleverness. There were some interesting, novel insights into how it feels to go through regeneration -- and "novel" is a fitting word, because that kind of insight into the internal experience of a character is rather novelistic. This is definitely a new approach to Doctor Who, and just the sort of contrast I was hoping for after the Moffat years. Moffat's stuff was a wild, fun ride, but it tended to repeat the same notes after a while, and a change of pace and tone is very much appreciated.

Whittaker was superb as the Doctor, capturing the essence of the character quite well while bringing her own voice and style to it. Just as Capaldi's Doctor (the first of the new regeneration cycle) resembled the First Doctor in some ways (as I mentioned this morning way back in post #13), there's an echo of the Second Doctor in Whittaker's slightly scattered, fallible, but inventive persona, a seemingly unassuming sort who ends up inevitably taking charge through sheer knowledge and nerve. But she's warmer and more outgoing, gathering a large group of friends around her in a way we've rarely seen before. We haven't seen a team of companions this large since the Fifth Doctor, but most of his companions were there by accident or necessity.

I think this is the seventh time a Doctor's post-regeneration adventure has taken place primarily or wholly on present-day Earth, after "Spearhead from Space," "Robot," the McGann movie, "Rose," "The Christmas Invasion," and "The Eleventh Hour" ("Castrovalva" started there but didn't stay long). "Deep Breath" is the only one set in Earth's past. "The Power of the Daleks," "Castrovalva," "The Twin Dilemma," and "Time and the Rani" all took place on other planets.

I'm going to miss Murray Gold's rich orchestral scores. The new music didn't bother me, but it didn't stand out for me either.

"It's been a long time since I bought women's clothes," huh? I guess maybe the Doctor previously bought clothes for Susan. Anyway, it's a good thing she didn't say she'd never worn women's clothes, because the Second Doctor was known to disguise himself in drag on occasion.

I'm afraid I saw Grace's death coming a mile away, since she was the only one of the group of four locals that wasn't one of the announced regular companions.


Wonderful episode. The story was on the light side but it was a lovely introduction for The Thirteenth Doctor and her companions Yaz, Ryan, and Graham (I'm not sold on the whole "Let's call them friends instead!" thing).

"I'm calling you Yaz, because we're friends now." I loved that.


Considering how we didn't get the TARDIS and the episode ended on a cliffhanger without the companions actually committing to traveling with The Doctor, Chibnall didn't want to (re)introduce everything all at once.

Might be interesting if they echoed Baker's first season and had the characters chasing after the TARDIS for a few stories.


I also believe this is the first Doctor introductory episode not to carry immediately after the regeneration since The Third Doctor. Instead, the episode took its time presenting the story through the eyes of the three companions before introducing The Thirteenth Doctor ten minutes in, which was a refreshing take on the introductory episode.

"Rose" focused on its title character for the first several minutes before the Doctor showed up. "Deep Breath" opened on Vastra, Jenny, and Strax as they dealt with a situation that eventually turned out to have the Doctor involved.


Am I right in remembering that The Thirteenth Doctor telling Yaz that she carries her family with her wherever she goes echoes what The Second Doctor said to Victoria in Tomb of the Cybermen? Or am I thinking of a different Doctor in another story?

VICTORIA: You probably can't remember your family.
DOCTOR: Oh yes, I can when I want to. And that's the point, really. I have to really want to, to bring them back in front of my eyes. The rest of the time they sleep in my mind, and I forget.


The show seems like it's designed solely for a new generation and not for someone like me who was brought into the franchise in 2005 (Never mind fans of Classic Who).

I've been a fan since they started rerunning Tom Baker in the mid-'80s. Heck, in some ways, this felt more like Classic Who than anything in the Moffat era.


Anyone else notice Graham said Aliens aren't real? did they just retool the entire show and throw out the last 13 years :(

Hardly the first time Doctor Who has done that. Moffat used the Cracks in Time to wipe out the public's knowledge of aliens from the Davies era. And in the Davies era and Torchwood, most people dismissed the alien invasions as hoaxes or mass hysteria. Not to mention all the times that present-day characters in the classic series continued to disbelieve in aliens well after the spate of invasions during the UNIT era.
 
Oh, also, what BBC America aired was not a true "simulcast". I assumed like "Day of the Doctor" it would be the actual BBC feed and thus no commercials. Nope, commercial after commercial after commercial. I bet the BBC transmission concluded nearly 30 minutes before BBC America's. Then again, they never claimed "commercial free", but the same start time kinda' implies that.

It's also probably not uncut, given that they were promoting an extended "Special Edition" for 8 PM tonight.
 
Anyway, it's a good thing she didn't say she'd never worn women's clothes, because the Second Doctor was known to disguise himself in drag on occasion.
The Third Doctor, too. I just figured the buying women's clothes line referred to those moments.

Might be interesting if they echoed Baker's first season and had the characters chasing after the TARDIS for a few stories.
I thought the same thing. I know some people aren't going to like that (a few people here have already complained about that cliffhanger and set-up) but I agree that it would be fun to change things up as The Doctor and her companions search for the TARDIS. Clearly this isn't a normal situation considering the way the TARDIS ejected The Doctor after she regenerated.

"Rose" focused on its title character for the first several minutes before the Doctor showed up. "Deep Breath" opened on Vastra, Jenny, and Strax as they dealt with a situation that eventually turned out to have the Doctor involved.
Ah, that's right. Thanks for the reminder. Still, I think this was longest period before introducing The Doctor, but "Rose" might be close.

VICTORIA: You probably can't remember your family.
DOCTOR: Oh yes, I can when I want to. And that's the point, really. I have to really want to, to bring them back in front of my eyes. The rest of the time they sleep in my mind, and I forget.
I meant to look up that exchange afterwards and forgot. Good to see some of my memories are still working.
 
I see the end credits named the villain Tim Shaw as well :lol:
Didn't spot that but that's cool though it won't look quite to impressive on the poor guys resume. Played some bloke on Doctor Who called Tim.

I went into this wary of Chibnall after his past entries into Who but I really like this one. Best opening to a Doctor since the show came back I think. Doctor was good. Companions seemed good. Pacing was very good. Not sure if that's the writing, the new run time or both. I dropped out of Who during Moffat and said I'd come back when he's gone and so far I'm glad I did. If we're chasing after the Tardis for a few episode like some people have said I'm okay with that though personally I think we will have it by the end of the next episode.
 
The plot was standard Doctor Who fare but I'm already a huge Jodie Whittaker fan. For me this has refreshed the series nicely after getting a bit stale some time around Capaldi.

I quite like the new retro theme, and I was also liking the Doctor in her old Capaldi outfit a lot more before she changed later on. Is that weird?

I think the four companions were doing just fine, but then didn't see the twist coming with dead grandmother.

It was interesting that we didn't get to see the Tardis yet. Hopefully we get to it next episode. Or is that going to be this season's endpoint? ;)
 
Good but not great. I hope the rest of the series isn't so dark, either literally or metaphorically. (A guy with a faceful of victims' teeth seems a bit dark for the family audience!)

The new score is sadly understated. For most of it, you might as well have gotten Dennis McCarthy to do it. (And the one moment that did stand out wasn't in a good way. Specifically, the cheap soundalike used instead of "The Doctor's Theme" towards the end.)
 
(A guy with a faceful of victims' teeth seems a bit dark for the family audience!)
Yeah, I thought that was surprising, especially considering how realistic it looked and how long the close-up shot lasted.

Mary Whitehouse must be rolling in her grave. :lol:
 
Not watched Doctor Who since the end of Tennant's first season, so I thought I would give Jodie Whittaker and Chibnall a chance. Wish I hadn't. Dull, boring, badly written, badly acted, politically correct tosh. And the alien was a shameless rip off of the Jem'Hadar from DS9.

The beauty of watching it on catch up was that I could fast forward through all the pointless crap and virtue signalling. I was left with about 15 mins of the episode which constituted what there was of a story.

As for Whittaker, she's nice enough to look at, but her accent grates over time, and she's clearly not got the acting range. All she seems to be able to do is goof and gurn.

Rated it fair, only because it was marginally less bad than some other sci-fi I've seen sat through this year.
 
Post-Regeneration Episodes are a real mixed bag. "The Eleventh Hour" is easily the strongest, but I felt this one was really great. The plot was a little ho-hum, but the character work was excellent. Jodie is the Doctor from the jump - fall? - and is a joy to watch. Loved the production changes, if the BBC America presentation of it was more than a little annoying. (No beginning or end credits, sooooo many commercials, even by American standards.)

Loved it. Can't wait for more!
 
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