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Special relationship UK & US (a myth?)

The USA would've happily watched Hitler take over all over Europe if it wasn't because of Pearl Harbour. They didn't offer any help during the Falklands crisis either.
At the risk of provoking another long spin-off argument I already had in TNZ with another poster about this months ago (because this thread won't die) that I really don't want to rehash again, neither of those statements are remotely accurate. And my comments have nothing to do with the existence or lack thereof of a "special relationship", before that gets brought up.

You can criticize our response to WWII, but there certainly wasn't nothing being done nor were we happy to watch Hitler's advance, and your own government went through the same debate about intervention that we did, just on a shorter time frame due to proximity and other factors. No one wanted to get involved in another global war again.

As far as the Falklands, I'll repost my comments from the TNZ thread:

The US was a signatory of the Rio Treaty (a Western Hemisphere mutual defense pact also including Argentina) in 1947, two years before the creation of NATO. Directly militarily supporting either party would involve breaking treaty with the other. That being said, we did provide lots of logistical and intelligence support... to Britain.

NATO's Article 5 clause specifically doesn't apply to attacks on NATO member territories below the Tropic of Cancer, because it was not intended to support colonial operations, so the UK could not have invoked that and called for our involvement anyway.

Nevertheless, we actually provided a lot of support:

- We retasked a spy satellite from watching the USSR to watching the Falklands, causing its premature loss due to the fuel burn to change its orbit. The satellite gave up-to-the minute reports about Argentinian troop size (larger than thought) and position.
- The CIA provided extensive intelligence on the Argentinian forces.
- When the tanks at Ascension Island were empty of AvGas for the planes and diesel fuel for the ships, we diverted and filled a fuel tanker to immediately head down there to fill up the tanks.
- We repaired the airfield at Ascension for use in the Vulcan bomber Black Buck raids.
- We prevented imports of weapons to Argentina during the war, so much so that they had to try and smuggle weapons in overland from Peru.
- We provided naval and ground artillery rounds.
- We provided submarine detectors because of concerns over Argentina's two modern German diesel-electric subs (fortunately didn't materialize) and their older subs.
- We offered the use of the V/STOL carrier USS Iwo Jima and civilian contractors to operate it (former Navy personnel) if the UK lost either of its carriers, which fortunately never happened.
- We removed hundreds of Sidewinder air-to-air missiles from frontline American units in Europe to supply the Harriers with missiles.
- We provided Stinger man-portable anti-aircraft missiles for ground troop and shipboard air defense.

Before it gets turned around to say "Now the Americans are claiming they won the Falklands for us", no, I'm not. I'm just addressing the false claims that we didn't provide military support. We did, we just kept it kind of on the down low because there was a lot of concern about Argentina and other OAS members turning to the Soviets for assistance, which, while I know everyone dismisses it now with the luxury of three and a half decades of hindsight, was a very real concern in the region at the time. Which doesn't excuse us tolerating the actions of evil right wing regimes in the region ourselves as a counter to that, of course.

Our vote supporting the UN resolution condemning Argentina's actions, and our overt support for the British position caused us significant ire from the OAS member nations (with the exception of Colombia and Chile, who opposed Argentina), so we were hardly neutral in the conflict.
 
The USA would've happily watched Hitler take over all over Europe if it wasn't because of Pearl Harbour.

No way. Besides the ships, airplanes and munitions the US was providing the UK, the relief of British and Canadian forces occupying Iceland, and the thousands of Commonwealth pilots being trained in the states, all before Pearl Harbor, the US Navy was actively fighting U-boats in the Atlantic in 1941. The pilot who spotted the Bismarck after Force H lost contact was a US Navy officer, secretly flying an RAF Catalina. So the US was quite committed to supporting the UK against Germany before the declaration of war in December.

The talk of the US "wearing the pants" etc. is garbage, but history is clear on how things stood in 1941. As for the Falklands, that has been quite effectively addressed above.
 
It's because they saw Hitler as an ally against communism, they didn't want to hinder his attack on Russia. No doubt they would've gone in to pick up all the pieces in the name of good ol' Uncle Sam.

Why didn't they come in earlier if they're such special friends? We were on our knees while they still lived Hollywood lifestyles all comfortable out the way.

The only people living Hollywood lifestyles back then were the folks in Hollywood and the American upper classes.
 
The only people living Hollywood lifestyles back then were the folks in Hollywood and the American upper classes.

And some Nazis. What with the ones in Hollywood helping fund things ;) oh. And Ford....
History. It’s a funny thing, and I am so glad it’s in the past.
 
To get back to the Sidewinder missiles, the models provided were the AIM-9L which were far more effective than the older models the UK had. Given how close the Argentines were to sinking enough ships with airstrikes to end the whole operation they were a decisive element in the war. And with them in some cases being taken off the wings of US Air Force fighters to be supplied to the UK, that says a lot about the relationship.
 
The only people living Hollywood lifestyles back then were the folks in Hollywood and the American upper classes.
We are talking about the Great Depression, and the beginnings of World War II.

BTW, it is notable that in their scramble to build defenses, the British were willing to use American contractors. The Brits approached an American company, North American, to build P-40 fighters (a product of a rival company, Curtis). North American proposed a new design, which became the P-51 Mustang. Later versions used the British Merlin engine, and became a premier air superiority fighter.
 
I have been trying to get the information needed for posting a link, but my computer is not cooperating.

Check out the City-data.com forums. Go to World, and near the bottom of #10 is a relevant thread. "What is your country's BFF (best friends forever)? Or do you even have one?"
 
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