They have to work faster. And unlike instances where they go to a parallel planet, they can always go back in time and make it never have happened.
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They have to work faster. And unlike instances where they go to a parallel planet, they can always go back in time and make it never have happened.
I've never been a fan of Tomorrow is Yesterday. Even if I can suspend disbelief that accelerating around a dense gravitational body can send you back in time I can see no logic to suggest that doing the same in the other direction should propel you forward in time, let alone to the moment you left. Just dreadful.
I also never really understood or liked the notion of replacing a past self with a transporter double from an alternate timeline. That feels more unethical than time travel itself.
The crew is pretty inept at espionage. It seems that they should keep aliens like Spock far far away from any past humans.
I also never really understood or liked the notion of replacing a past self with a transporter double from an alternate timeline. That feels more unethical than time travel itself.
The crew is pretty inept at espionage. It seems that they should keep aliens like Spock far far away from any past humans.
Excellent! I picked up on the Kowell nonsense back in the eighties and couldn't get it!!!
JB
Kirk's not the only one. In The Enemy Within, just as EvilKirk enters the Bridge and tries to leave the planet far behind, Mr Farrell pipes up:
Did the landing party get a visit from the Millennium Falcon?
Commodore Stocker referred to the communications officer as Lt. O’Hara.
At least that’s how it sounded to me. The burdens of a field command and all, I’m sure.
At least that’s how it sounded to me. The burdens of a field command and all, I’m sure.
Kirk's not the only one. In The Enemy Within, just as EvilKirk enters the Bridge and tries to leave the planet far behind, Mr Farrell pipes up:
Did the landing party get a visit from the Millennium Falcon?
Or UNCLE?
JB
That chair-bound paper-pusher? Are you crazy? He's never had a field command in his life!
Kirk also referred to Elizabeth Rogers' character as "Lieutenant Pal-mer," rather than "Palm-er." So Mr. Kowell wasn't alone. Just like the Metrones.
I'm right there with the rest of you who dislike 20th Century time travel episodes. That's the primary reason I rate ST:IV as low as I do (which isn't really that low). Regardless, I love "Tomorrow is Yesterday." Maybe because it's the first time our intrepid crew visits the 20th Century?
Speaking of that opening teaser, I want to know how many people thought they were watching the wrong TV show the first time they saw that episode on broadcast TV. That had to throw some people off. Patience pays off and the end of the teaser does confirm it's Star Trek. This rewatch gave me a chuckle that the US military officer automatically went to "UFO" instead of the more logical conclusion that it could have been a stealth fighter. Apparently, though, this episode predates stealth aircraft like the SR71.
I thought "black star" was a better description for "black hole" since it's really not a hole in space. I seem to recall reading once that "black star" was the original term for "black hole." According to this site: https://www.space.com/15421-black-holes-facts-formation-discovery-sdcmp.html the term "black hole" was coined in 1967, over a year after this episode was written.
I still can't fully figure out how they would have made this a 2 parter to follow "Naked Time." One or both of those episodes must have been reworked. Oh, I can see how the Enterprise being flung back in time in "Naked Time" could result in traveling to the 20th Century. I just don't see getting from Psi 2000 to Earth.
That black star is a navigation hazard. On a route to Earth. Must be close enough to Earth to get the Enterprise there. I can't believe it wasn't already cataloged. Someone is falling asleep on the job!
Uhura reports static. Our modern HD and digital devices don't have static, do they? They simply go silent or blue screen. Static is analog, right? Definitely a technology development not foreseen in the 60s.
First moon shot on Wednesday. Apollo 11 launched on Wednesday, July 16, 1969. So does this episode take place just before that date?
Nuclear missiles? According to https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=113 the fighter, a Lockheed 4-104 could be equipped with nuclear weapons. The fighter had a ceiling of 58,000 feet. In contrast, the ISS orbits at 1,341,120 feet or 254 miles.
That tractor beam could be a powerful weapon if used on fragile objects. Apparently it crushes that fighter rather easily. Obviously unintended. Easy to understand how anyone not familiar with such technology would not believe it was an accident and conclude this was some powerful weapon instead of a tool. I have to wonder how the recorder data survived the destruction of the aircraft. Obviously the Enterprise should have pulled the wreckage inside the ship or else let it go so everything would burn up on the way down. Would have saved a lot of trouble.
Odd how Capt. Christopher goes from sitting in his cockpit to standing in the transporter room. Really unusual that he materializes facing the wall instead of the control panel like everyone else normally does no matter which way they were facing when beamed up.
Yay Kirk with the smirk at Christopher's surprise toward female crewmen. Kirk is quite comfortable working with women under his command. He's just not comfortable with working in close contact situations. That sly horndog. At least he knows his limits and boundaries when he's not split into separate halves.
United Earth Space Probe Agency. UESPA. Different than Starfleet Control (not Command in this episode). Perhaps Earth's military combined into the UESPA?
I see people in the future are just as illiterate when it comes to computer settings as they are today. It's not hard! Settings/System Preferences/Siri/ choose language, choose voice. Surely out of 430 people someone knows how to change the preferences for the computer voice. Speaking of the computer, is it an AI of sorts? It sure sounds like an emotional response when Kirk makes a note to reprogram the personality. Almost like it didn't like that idea. And, yes, the easy sounding voice is unlike the normal computer voice sound. It must be in the settings somewhere.
No civilian styles of clothes available? Christopher was given command gold to wear. Kinda odd to dress a visitor up in the standard uniform when the visitor isn't a member of that organization.
Stardate 3113. 3 years into the 5 year mission? We have been up and down the thousand units so far this season.
Again with the visitors on board ship having free access and no supervision. Christopher wasn't in his quarters and was able to get all the way to the tranporter room unnoticed. 430 people and those corridors are empty? He easily accosts the nonchalant security guard and steals his weapon. Talk about someone not on the ball. Good job there pal. You are now reassigned to waste disposal.
Col. Shaun Geoffrey Christopher. Named after writer John D. F. Black's 3 sons; Shaun, Geoffrey and Christopher.
I liked the conversation between Sulu and Kirk about the antique museum computer pieces. Why, though, is Sulu part of this landing party? Helmsman, botanist and now historian? Well, he did like the antique police revolver from "Shore Leave." But he imagined it with 7 bullets.
200 years is about right to get Kirk back to his own time? That puts Kirk at the end of the 22nd Century. That's a far cry from "Squire of Gothos" where Star Trek is implied to be in the 27th Century (900 years from the Napoleonic Era).
Again, how do these food slots work? They're neat! Want chicken soup? Get chicken soup. Just put in a slot card. Surely that slot card doesn't have every recipe on it, does it? Why not have that in computer memory? Maybe the card was an access card and you can't use the food slot without the key. Why are there food slots in the transporter room? No dining tables, just food slots. Eat standing or on the floor! Is it normal that someone gets suddenly hungry before beaming out or right after beaming aboard?
Slingshot around the sun makes it's return in Star Trek: IV. Slightly different than the Psi 2000 timewarp even though both involved warp and a gravity well. Time and gravity and space must be related or connected. The crew seem quite accepting of the fact they traveled back in time. Like, "of course, we knew this could be a possible side affect of such a slingshot."
UPDATE TO THE LOVE BOARD!
Kirk Love Meter
Little Blonde Lab Technician
Jancie Rand
Evie
Andrea (forgot her last time)
Helen Noel
Miri (In the line of duty)
Lenore Karidian (In the line of duty)
Lieutenant Helen Johansson
Areel Shaw
Ruth
Enterprise computer Cygnet XIV upgrade. Kirk loves the Enterprise and the Enterprise loves Kirk!
McCoy Love Meter
Nancy Crater
Yeoman Tonia Barrows
Speaking of that opening teaser, I want to know how many people thought they were watching the wrong TV show the first time they saw that episode on broadcast TV. That had to throw some people off. Patience pays off and the end of the teaser does confirm it's Star Trek. This rewatch gave me a chuckle that the US military officer automatically went to "UFO" instead of the more logical conclusion that it could have been a stealth fighter. Apparently, though, this episode predates stealth aircraft like the SR71.
I thought "black star" was a better description for "black hole" since it's really not a hole in space. I seem to recall reading once that "black star" was the original term for "black hole." According to this site: https://www.space.com/15421-black-holes-facts-formation-discovery-sdcmp.html the term "black hole" was coined in 1967, over a year after this episode was written.
I still can't fully figure out how they would have made this a 2 parter to follow "Naked Time." One or both of those episodes must have been reworked. Oh, I can see how the Enterprise being flung back in time in "Naked Time" could result in traveling to the 20th Century. I just don't see getting from Psi 2000 to Earth.
That black star is a navigation hazard. On a route to Earth. Must be close enough to Earth to get the Enterprise there. I can't believe it wasn't already cataloged. Someone is falling asleep on the job!
Uhura reports static. Our modern HD and digital devices don't have static, do they? They simply go silent or blue screen. Static is analog, right? Definitely a technology development not foreseen in the 60s.
First moon shot on Wednesday. Apollo 11 launched on Wednesday, July 16, 1969. So does this episode take place just before that date?
Nuclear missiles? According to https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=113 the fighter, a Lockheed 4-104 could be equipped with nuclear weapons. The fighter had a ceiling of 58,000 feet. In contrast, the ISS orbits at 1,341,120 feet or 254 miles.
That tractor beam could be a powerful weapon if used on fragile objects. Apparently it crushes that fighter rather easily. Obviously unintended. Easy to understand how anyone not familiar with such technology would not believe it was an accident and conclude this was some powerful weapon instead of a tool. I have to wonder how the recorder data survived the destruction of the aircraft. Obviously the Enterprise should have pulled the wreckage inside the ship or else let it go so everything would burn up on the way down. Would have saved a lot of trouble.
Odd how Capt. Christopher goes from sitting in his cockpit to standing in the transporter room. Really unusual that he materializes facing the wall instead of the control panel like everyone else normally does no matter which way they were facing when beamed up.
Yay Kirk with the smirk at Christopher's surprise toward female crewmen. Kirk is quite comfortable working with women under his command. He's just not comfortable with working in close contact situations. That sly horndog. At least he knows his limits and boundaries when he's not split into separate halves.
United Earth Space Probe Agency. UESPA. Different than Starfleet Control (not Command in this episode). Perhaps Earth's military combined into the UESPA?
I see people in the future are just as illiterate when it comes to computer settings as they are today. It's not hard! Settings/System Preferences/Siri/ choose language, choose voice. Surely out of 430 people someone knows how to change the preferences for the computer voice. Speaking of the computer, is it an AI of sorts? It sure sounds like an emotional response when Kirk makes a note to reprogram the personality. Almost like it didn't like that idea. And, yes, the easy sounding voice is unlike the normal computer voice sound. It must be in the settings somewhere.
No civilian styles of clothes available? Christopher was given command gold to wear. Kinda odd to dress a visitor up in the standard uniform when the visitor isn't a member of that organization.
Stardate 3113. 3 years into the 5 year mission? We have been up and down the thousand units so far this season.
Again with the visitors on board ship having free access and no supervision. Christopher wasn't in his quarters and was able to get all the way to the tranporter room unnoticed. 430 people and those corridors are empty? He easily accosts the nonchalant security guard and steals his weapon. Talk about someone not on the ball. Good job there pal. You are now reassigned to waste disposal.
Col. Shaun Geoffrey Christopher. Named after writer John D. F. Black's 3 sons; Shaun, Geoffrey and Christopher.
I liked the conversation between Sulu and Kirk about the antique museum computer pieces. Why, though, is Sulu part of this landing party? Helmsman, botanist and now historian? Well, he did like the antique police revolver from "Shore Leave." But he imagined it with 7 bullets.
200 years is about right to get Kirk back to his own time? That puts Kirk at the end of the 22nd Century. That's a far cry from "Squire of Gothos" where Star Trek is implied to be in the 27th Century (900 years from the Napoleonic Era).
Again, how do these food slots work? They're neat! Want chicken soup? Get chicken soup. Just put in a slot card. Surely that slot card doesn't have every recipe on it, does it? Why not have that in computer memory? Maybe the card was an access card and you can't use the food slot without the key. Why are there food slots in the transporter room? No dining tables, just food slots. Eat standing or on the floor! Is it normal that someone gets suddenly hungry before beaming out or right after beaming aboard?
Slingshot around the sun makes it's return in Star Trek: IV. Slightly different than the Psi 2000 timewarp even though both involved warp and a gravity well. Time and gravity and space must be related or connected. The crew seem quite accepting of the fact they traveled back in time. Like, "of course, we knew this could be a possible side affect of such a slingshot."
UPDATE TO THE LOVE BOARD!
Kirk Love Meter
Little Blonde Lab Technician
Jancie Rand
Evie
Andrea (forgot her last time)
Helen Noel
Miri (In the line of duty)
Lenore Karidian (In the line of duty)
Lieutenant Helen Johansson
Areel Shaw
Ruth
Enterprise computer Cygnet XIV upgrade. Kirk loves the Enterprise and the Enterprise loves Kirk!
McCoy Love Meter
Nancy Crater
Yeoman Tonia Barrows
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UFO doesn't mean "flying saucer". It means Unidentified Flying Object, which just means that they don't know what it is. If Capt. Christopher got in visual range and saw it was an SR-71—which was in operation but not widely known—he'd possibly not recognize it and call it an unidentified aircraft.
The AIR-2 Genie (aka "Ding-Dong") unguided rocket was the only US air-to-air nuclear weapon deployed. It was cleared for the F-104 Starfighter in U.S. but was never carried in operational service. An F-101B Voodoo or F-106 Delta Dart would have been more realistic (assuming they cared or had access to stock footage of those). Some Canadian Starflghters were equipped with B42 nuclear gravity bombs, which is hardly the same thing.
Random comparisons are random.
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A mistake carried on in Twin Peaks where people seem to call the missing girl Laura Poll-mer instead of Parm-mer! And why do Americans pronounce the name Craig as Cregg rather than Cray-ger?
JB
I think the Enterprise being so low in orbit is one of the things I like least about the episode. Not only did I never view the weird shaped starship as being an atmospheric craft, their scanners are powerful enough to orbit and monitor the planet from millions of kilometres away.
I also cannot forgive this episode for giving ST 2009 and Into Darkness plausible justification for several abominations.
I also cannot forgive this episode for giving ST 2009 and Into Darkness plausible justification for several abominations.
Why would Craig have more than one syllable? And there's no r on the end.
Like what?
I didn't really like the notion of the ship being built, saucer in place, on Earth or landing on the planet underwater or doing a handbrake turn at terminal velocity using the warp drive.
I've always felt that the ship was so heavy and not aerodynamic so that landing and taking off would require so much thrust that it would devastate the landing zone. Possible in an emergency but eek.
I'm not really sure what warping space time does to objects or people in the vicinity of the warp bubble even at sub-light speed but it seemed to me that it would have been more realistic to tweak trajectory to ditch in nearby water not perform a u-turn.
They just felt scientifically sloppy for a 'cool' visual. Star Wars is the genre for children that is loved by adults. Star Trek is the genre for adults that is loved by children. For me, they crossed a line there. B-/
The fighter had a ceiling of 58,000 feet. In contrast, the ISS orbits at 1,341,120 feet or 254 miles. [
QUOTE="Maurice, post: 12641277, member: 5036"
Random comparisons are random.[/QUOTE]
Only, in this case, my intent was not random. My assumption is that the Enterprise normally orbits a planet like Earth at the same distance that the ISS orbits Earth. In contrast, the interceptor aircraft, which was close enough to be in weapons range, had a much lower operation ceiling. My intent was to show just how low in atmosphere (or orbit) the Enterprise was in comparison to it's normal operation orbit altitude.
I feel your sentiment for ST2009 and Into Darkness. However, in my 40 years I never found this episode to be implausible in depicting the Enterprise altitude nor have I ever seen it as giving credence to the most recent movies. I've always taken that the Enterprise isn't designed for atmospheric flight and I don't see this episode as supporting the idea. The Enterprise was in trouble. They were doing all they could to get back to a proper orbit. They weren't flying along. Deflector shields prevented or protected the Enterprise from burning up in the atmosphere (or maybe their velocity was slow enough).
A brick will fly if thrown at sufficient velocity. That doesn't mean the brick was designed to fly or that such flight was an aspect of normal operations.
The Enterprise was a brick that was trying to get back to where it belonged.
Although, I do remember this or similar photos floating around in the late 90s, about 15 years before ST09
https://scifanatic-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/entyard.jpg
QUOTE="Maurice, post: 12641277, member: 5036"
Random comparisons are random.[/QUOTE]
Only, in this case, my intent was not random. My assumption is that the Enterprise normally orbits a planet like Earth at the same distance that the ISS orbits Earth. In contrast, the interceptor aircraft, which was close enough to be in weapons range, had a much lower operation ceiling. My intent was to show just how low in atmosphere (or orbit) the Enterprise was in comparison to it's normal operation orbit altitude.
I feel your sentiment for ST2009 and Into Darkness. However, in my 40 years I never found this episode to be implausible in depicting the Enterprise altitude nor have I ever seen it as giving credence to the most recent movies. I've always taken that the Enterprise isn't designed for atmospheric flight and I don't see this episode as supporting the idea. The Enterprise was in trouble. They were doing all they could to get back to a proper orbit. They weren't flying along. Deflector shields prevented or protected the Enterprise from burning up in the atmosphere (or maybe their velocity was slow enough).
A brick will fly if thrown at sufficient velocity. That doesn't mean the brick was designed to fly or that such flight was an aspect of normal operations.
The Enterprise was a brick that was trying to get back to where it belonged.
Although, I do remember this or similar photos floating around in the late 90s, about 15 years before ST09
https://scifanatic-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/entyard.jpg
All of this reminds me of...
Well, except the heat of reentry comes from the speed of the object hitting the atmosphere, and a straight drop from 0 relative velocity wouldn't get you up to flaming-reentry speed, but... drama.
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