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That demographic won't be sticking around too much longer, and their younger viewers are tuning out.

Spoiler Alert---Younger viewers turn INTO older viewers. As they do their tastes change. It's been working for CBS for years now.
 
Do you have a source for that?
This is *every* Canadian series in the history of television. I don't need to source it, it should be common knowledge for every sci-fi fan.

However...

"must be shown in Ontario within two years of completion by an Ontario-based film distributor or Canadian broadcaster during prime
time (that is, between 7 p.m. and 11 p.m.)"
Page 41
https://www.dentons.com/-/media/pdfs/guides-reports-and-whitepapers/producing-in-canada-guide.pdf
 
it should be common knowledge for every sci-fi fan.
Clearly it isn't, and why should it be?

Why would fans of Sci-Fi care about tax breaks?

Anyways that section you quoted, it also says the Producer of the production must be an Ontario resident for at least 2 years before principle photography, and the production company also must be Canadian controlled.
 
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it also says the Producer of the production must be an Ontario resident for at least 2 years before principle photography, and the production company also must be Canadian controlled.
The on-set producers John Weber, Frank Siracusa and Thom Pretak are Ontarians, and I'm guessing CBS have a shell company set up in Canada.
 
Matlock Reboot will happen, I predict.

Doesn't compute. Matlock appealing to old people works better if the show itself is old. Unless we want Matlock the Vietnam Vet with tattoos taking on biker gangs -- actually wait a minute. I think I might be onto something here...

Matlock
meets Sons of Anarchy. :devil:
 
CBS hasn't rocked the boat, and so they sail on, slowly and predictably, and that comforts the people in their older demographic, which is also their largest demographic.
Whilst the main CBS channel and its news outlet are aimed at an older audience, they have The CW (for teenagers and young adults), Showtime (provocative content for adults) and CBS All Access (a mix of everything). CBS also have CBS Interactive and its various brands, which have a huge focus on gaming and technology for younger audiences.

Your gay comment is outdated. They're the only TV series with a gay lead character, and soon their CW series Batwoman is going to be the first superhero series with a gay lead character too.

I also wouldn't call any of the other CBS All Access series (The Good Fight, No Activity, One Dollar, Strange Angel, Tell Me A Story and soon In The Dark) "safe, stable, comfortable programming". They're all pretty intense - DSC is "softer" than all of them.
 
Doesn't compute. Matlock appealing to old people works better if the show itself is old. Unless we want Matlock the Vietnam Vet with tattoos taking on biker gangs -- actually wait a minute. I think I might be onto something here...

Matlock
meets Sons of Anarchy. :devil:

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That's one of the worst things I've ever seen... it's great! I'll have to look it up and watch some more. :angel:
 
There's no evidence to back up any assertions that STD is a top performer on Netflix. Netflix doesn't release viewing figures.We do know that Netflix has 9m UK subscribers as of 2018. If 5% of those watch STD, then that's an insignificant 450K viewers. Back in the 90s, TNG used to get 3m on BBC2 at 6pm on a Wednesday evening when most fans wern't even home from work.

Given that CBS AA's subs only grew by 500K in the lead up to STD being premiered, taking in to account the huge difference in population size between the US and UK, and that Trek's biggest main global fanbase is in the US, I would say that even 450k viewers in the UK is massively optimistic. It's probably more like half of that. It's also logical to assume that had STD been a success on Netflix, that Netflix would've been more interested in acquiring these shorts. Netflix's decision does rather feed in to the long standing rumours that STD has gone down like large pile of the brown stuff.
 
There's no evidence to back up any assertions that STD is a top performer on Netflix. Netflix doesn't release viewing figures.We do know that Netflix has 9m UK subscribers as of 2018. If 5% of those watch STD, then that's an insignificant 450K viewers. Back in the 90s, TNG used to get 3m on BBC2 at 6pm on a Wednesday evening when most fans wern't even home from work.

Given that CBS AA's subs only grew by 500K in the lead up to STD being premiered, taking in to account the huge difference in population size between the US and UK, and that Trek's biggest main global fanbase is in the US, I would say that even 450k viewers in the UK is massively optimistic. It's probably more like half of that. It's also logical to assume that had STD been a success on Netflix, that Netflix would've been more interested in acquiring these shorts. Netflix's decision does rather feed in to the long standing rumours that STD has gone down like large pile of the brown stuff.

If DSC is doing so horribly, then why would they want to make a Picard Series, these Shorts, and anything else they want to do? Why build a studio exclusively for Star Trek? If DSC is doing horribly, they should be downsizing not expanding.
 
There's no evidence to back up any assertions that STD is a top performer on Netflix. Netflix doesn't release viewing figures.
No official figures, but Netflix does say what it's successful shows are, and DSC Chapter 1 was on their 2017 flashcards.

https://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/article/most-watched-netflix-shows-2017

Also Soundscan tech allows companies to work out what panelled people are watching with relative ease. Again, DSC Chapter 1 registered below:

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In Canada most episodes were getting nearly 1 million views per episode according to the Canada equivalent of Nielsen ratings.
 
If DSC is doing so horribly, then why would they want to make a Picard Series, these Shorts, and anything else they want to do? Why build a studio exclusively for Star Trek? If DSC is doing horribly, they should be downsizing not expanding.
Because there is a lack of understanding of how business actually works. Largely because I see a prevailing belief that media (not just Star Trek) should both be free and top quality (read: suited to my own specific tastes). Reality is insufficient against such opinions.
 
Whilst the main CBS channel and its news outlet are aimed at an older audience, they have The CW (for teenagers and young adults), Showtime (provocative content for adults) and CBS All Access (a mix of everything). CBS also have CBS Interactive and its various brands, which have a huge focus on gaming and technology for younger audiences.

Your gay comment is outdated. They're the only TV series with a gay lead character, and soon their CW series Batwoman is going to be the first superhero series with a gay lead character too.

I also wouldn't call any of the other CBS All Access series (The Good Fight, No Activity, One Dollar, Strange Angel, Tell Me A Story and soon In The Dark) "safe, stable, comfortable programming". They're all pretty intense - DSC is "softer" than all of them.
I'm talking about Star Trek having a gay character, and it's not an outdated comment, because Star Trek isn't the only TV series with a gay lead character. Seriously?

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls069732186/


Gay people weren't even acknowledged until Star Trek until Deep Space Nine, and then they were women who played evil characters and used for titillation. Actual gay characters didn't exist until Star Trek Beyond, and even then it was so short lived and vague that it could be easily mistaken as close family, and that was 2016. So Star Trek has a gay lead character, but it's nothing new, and it's way behind the curve.

I want Star Trek out front, leading the pack. Where are the non-binary characters? The transgender characters? The panoply and spectrum of sexualities and gender constructs that already make up the human race now? Today? In the first half of the 21st century? Nowhere to be found. Granted, that could change, but how likely is it?
 
I'm talking about Star Trek having a gay character, and it's not an outdated comment, because Star Trek isn't the only TV series with a gay lead character. Seriously?

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls069732186/


Gay people weren't even acknowledged until Star Trek until Deep Space Nine, and then they were women who played evil characters and used for titillation. Actual gay characters didn't exist until Star Trek Beyond, and even then it was so short lived and vague that it could be easily mistaken as close family, and that was 2016. So Star Trek has a gay lead character, but it's nothing new.

I want Star Trek out front, leading the pack. Where are the non-binary characters? The transgender characters? The panoply and spectrum of sexualities and gender constructs that already make up the human race now? Today? In the first half of the 21st century? Nowhere to be found. Granted, that could change, but how likely is it?
TNG's "The Outcast" (circa 1992) would like a word with you. (I personally didn't find it a compelling episode, but it dealt with issues of gender identity - although the resolution was probably not great as it seemed to imply such issues could be 'fixed'.)
 
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