Most efficient Federation Starship?

[Admiral2]

The Klingons,Cardassians and Romulans all use basically one ship type for everything and they're medicore at all they do.

What Klingons and Romulans are you talking about? Because the Romulans I've seen have managed to use a scout ship to destroy entire installations (Balance of Terror) and are badasses at using politics and espionage to get their way. And the Klingons and their "one ship type" nearly handed the Feds their asses in two different conflicts: the Founder fomented war (DS9) and the war in the "Yesterday's Enterprise" timeline. (TNG)

If you're stuck with "one ship type" then it's about using it to the best of your own abilities. It doesn't automatically mean you're the underdog in a potential conflict.

Romulans seem to have the best ship in general but the D'deridexes probably are often decades old but juet moderetely refitted and they can't really just shut down a Quantnum singularity.

One of the first things Ronald Reagan and his Navy Secretary John Lehman did when they were putting together the "600-ship Navy" was take the old Iowa-class battleships - which were forty years old at the time - refit them to launch Tomahawk missiles and reactivate them, and the missiles and sixteen-inch guns made them the most powerful land-attack platforms in the fleet. Old doesn't mean useless.

You could have 3 designs always, why not. A versitile ship is generally not really super advanced at any specific aspect.

Except the aspect of versatility, which would be the point. A ship that can function adequately in several different missions is just as useful as a ship that's super-awesome at just one.

As I said, compared to the size, the Galaxy seemed a bit underpowered, often basically losing to opponents it shouldn't really but it definetely was the strongest ship of the quadrant when it came out.

The Galaxy-class is not underpowered. It simply wasn't built with combat in mind, which is a circumstance that can be overcome with a commander with the right mindset. (Like Captain Jellico, who is THE MAN.)

The Borg cube actually is a great vessle, you can't hit 1 random spot and suddenly disable all weapons and whatnot

So I guess you missed First Contact, where Picard took command of the defense fleet and beat the Borg cube by doing exactly that?

Just like we saw in the Prometheus, splitting in 3 makes you 30× stronger

No it doesn't. It's physically impossible for one third of a ship to be more powerful than the ship as a whole, which makes your "30x stronger" assertion nonsense. The only advantage Prometheus gains from splitting into three is the ability to flank its target, but you're flanking it with three less powerful ships than the one you started with.

so I feel like a sovereign could get gankbankt.

But not by a single Prometheus.

The Intrepid is trash and even facts or God himself won't change my mind.

You don't have to. This thread is about everybody's choice. Intrepid is mine. Go pick your own.

 

[El Amigo Carlos]

What Klingons and Romulans are you talking about? Because the Romulans I've seen have managed to use a scout ship to destroy entire installations (Balance of Terror) and are badasses at using politics and espionage to get their way. And the Klingons and their "one ship type" nearly handed the Feds their asses in two different conflicts: the Founder fomented war (DS9) and the war in the "Yesterday's Enterprise" timeline. (TNG)

If you're stuck with "one ship type" then it's about using it to the best of your own abilities. It doesn't automatically mean you're the underdog in a potential conflict.



One of the first things Ronald Reagan and his Navy Secretary John Lehman did when they were putting together the "600-ship Navy" was take the old Iowa-class battleships - which were forty years old at the time - refit them to launch Tomahawk missiles and reactivate them, and the missiles and sixteen-inch guns made them the most powerful land-attack platforms in the fleet. Old doesn't mean useless.



Except the aspect of versatility, which would be the point. A ship that can function adequately in several different missions is just as useful as a ship that's super-awesome at just one.




The Galaxy-class is not underpowered. It simply wasn't built with combat in mind, which is a circumstance that can be overcome with a commander with the right mindset. (Like Captain Jellico, who is THE MAN.)




So I guess you missed First Contact, where Picard took command of the defense fleet and beat the Borg cube by doing exactly that?




No it doesn't. It's physically impossible for one third of a ship to be more powerful than the ship as a whole, which makes your "30x stronger" assertion nonsense. The only advantage Prometheus gains from splitting into three is the ability to flank its target, but you're flanking it with three less powerful ships than the one you started with.



But not by a single Prometheus.



You don't have to. This thread is about everybody's choice. Intrepid is mine. Go pick your own.

You misunderstod my comments on tue Cardassian,Klingon and Romulan ships.


You admitted it yourself, the Galaxy is underpowered considering it's volume and prestige.
It wasn't built for war, true but seemingly it is underpowered compared to it's own prestigeous projection. It's a flying hotel compared to even other Federation ships, a better Captaij won't make it beat another Ship extra unless the last captain was Janeway.

I missed most of the movies, they're trashy.


A ship is versitile if it can do all intendee tasks well but it doesn't specialize in one task like the Equinox or Defiant which makes it weaker in said aspects.

You don't get Sarcasm.
According to the plot it seemed to me that by separating in 3 parts the vessle somehow became better and stronger in combat.
Like, it took out a Nebula in 3 phasor shots and probably wasn't firing back until then.
As I said, seemingly Startrek ships can only fire a single phasor at a time.

That was my opinion about the Intrepid, thank you for respecting it.

 

[El Amigo Carlos]

Well, that's the "discussion" part of the thread over, isn't it?

"It might actually be the best and you could prove it with stats, flipcharts or divine intervention, but fuck all that shit".

If it warped up and smacked you with a full torpedo spread, you still wouldn't buy it?

Let me rephrase it then.
It is my opinion that the Intrepid is a doggy poppy pile of swampy ass.

 

[1001001]

You don't get Sarcasm.

 

[matthunter]

Let me rephrase it then.
It is my opinion that the Intrepid is a doggy poppy pile of swampy ass.

And you could back that up with facts, but you don't.

Hence, your opinion is worth less than my dog's latest bowel movement.

 

[1001001]

^ That’s not helpful.

 

[El Amigo Carlos]

And you could back that up with facts, but you don't.

Hence, your opinion is worth less than my dog's latest bowel movement.

What do you want me to say?
It looks like a spoon, it was captained by Janeway and it got shredded by specied 100 years less developed than the Federation.
It got "sick"
It was intended to be an armed science vessle. Like the Equinox but bigger and like the Galaxy but smaller.
And the presence of Tom Paris,Kim and B'ellana daddy issues Toress just gave me an all out bad experience watching Voyager the series and the ship.

 

[Captain Killy]

Another vote for Excelsior and Miranda, they're still in use after almost a century, if that's not a sign of how effective they are then I don't know what is. I'd probably also include the Nebula as well, it is very versatile and effective in a wide variety of situations.

But they're so ugly...

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

But they're so ugly...

Which one? They're all beauties in my eye, classics in their own right.

 

[Captain Killy]

Which one? They're all beauties in my eye, classics in their own right.

The Nebula: Short, squat and just awkward looking.

But mind you, I'm really particular about my Federation Starships. As much as I love the 1701-D, she's not the most attractive lady at the ball. The saucer is way out of proportion to the rest of the ship - very top heavy. And the Defiant? I still say it looks like a squashed platypus.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

If it's solely by looks then I'd have to nominate the Ambassador-Class, she's a far better designed ship that the Galaxy- or Nebula-Class.

 

[XCV330]

Ptolemy. What's the point of going anywhere, if you can't bring your stuff?

 

[Admiral2]

You misunderstod my comments on tue Cardassian,Klingon and Romulan ships.

Then explain them.

You admitted it yourself, the Galaxy is underpowered considering it's volume and prestige.

No I didn't. I said they weren't built for combat. That's not the same thing as "underpowered."

It wasn't built for war, true but seemingly it is underpowered compared to it's own prestigeous projection. It's a flying hotel compared to even other Federation ships,

It is a flying hotel, with the exact same power source as "other Federaton ships," which means it has the exact same available power. It's just directed to other purposes besides fighting.

a better Captaij won't make it beat another Ship extra unless the last captain was Janeway.

In "Chain of Command," a better captain used an "underpowered" Galaxy-class to turn away an entire fleet of Cardassian ships without firing a shot. And none of the other captains was named "Janeway."

I missed most of the movies, they're trashy.

Try watching them. It might bring some perspective to your arguments.

A ship is versitile if it can do all intendee tasks well but it doesn't specialize in one task like the Equinox or Defiant which makes it weaker in said aspects.

Maybe, but again, it's what you asked for!

If you insist the chosen classes be good at both combat and exploration then you're choosing versatility over specialty. If you want specialized ships, ask for them. Make up your mind.

You don't get Sarcasm

No, you're just bad at writing sarcastically.

According to the plot it seemed to me that by separating in 3 parts the vessle somehow became better and stronger in combat.
Like, it took out a Nebula in 3 phasor shots and probably wasn't firing back until then.

That's because canon trek writers generally know nothing about ships or combat. They get things right maybe half the time. This battle falls into the other half.

As I said, seemingly Startrek ships can only fire a single phasor at a time.

That's a failure of the various Tactical officers' imagination. The technology allows for multiple phaser firings. They just don't take advantage.

 

[BillJ]

It looks like a spoon...

And? It has the same basic layout and shape of numerous other Starfleet ships. I like multi-mission capable vessels and the Intrepid class showed itself to be capable.

 

[F. King Daniel]

If we're speaking in terms of travel times, the USS Discovery is the only option. Nothing else in Trek is on the same page.

 

[Longinus]

Nova, Galaxy and Intrepid.

Intrepids are the backbone of the fleet, relatively small, but fast and capable science vessels, that can hold their own in a battle. Good for various different missions, and most importantly excellent for deep space exploration, which is the main mission of the Starfleet.

Nova as easy to produce workhorse. You can have loads of these. These perform less critical missions where better ships would be wasted.

Galaxy as your centrepiece. When you need the best. Great for exploration and diplomatic functions, a capable battleship and a fleet command vessel if needed.

 

[Longinus]

Of course the real reason why other forces have less ship designs is not that their ships are more versatile, it is because they appear less often on screen than the Fed stuff, so producers didn't bother wasting money making ships for them. And even in-universe, I think Fed ships generally are built to be very versatile (with specific exception of Defiant.) Starfleet performs more varied missions than the fleets of the neighbouring space empires, and thus needs more versatile ships.

 

[Admiral2]

Nova, Galaxy and Intrepid.

Intrepids are the backbone of the fleet, relatively small, but fast and capable science vessels, that can hold their own in a battle. Good for various different missions, and most importantly excellent for deep space exploration, which is the main mission of the Starfleet.

Nova as easy to produce workhorse. You can have loads of these. These perform less critical missions where better ships would be wasted.

Galaxy as your centrepiece. When you need the best. Great for exploration and diplomatic functions, a capable battleship and a fleet command vessel if needed.

I picked Nova, Intrepid and Sovereign. Two out of three...

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Dreadnought, hands down. The definition of efficient, it relies on a fraction of a skeleton crew, five or six, is fully automated, is super fast and can track ships at warp. It is built for war, but could also be used for exploration purposes, with large cargo bays that could most likely be repurposed for transporting passengers if the need arose.

As for the three ship types, I'd choose Dreadnought, Sovereign and Constitution (refit)

 

[Shawnster]

Oberth, Miranda, and Excelsior classes proved to be the most durable and flexible starship designs. Those classes are still in service 100 years after initial production. These spaceframes proved more adaptable to upgrades and technology advancement.