Discoprise won't have TOS "cardboard sets"

[Rahul]

Not all the sets built or in progress retained their basic look. For example, here's the corridor being created for PHASE II, which was looking more TOS than how it ended up on TMP. And of course the Jeffries miniature model for PHASE II was scrapped in favor of the more larger and detailed one we see in the final product.

Off-topic, but: niiice!

Do you have a link or something to more pictures and material of Phase II in production? I was always fascinated by that series, sadly, I know quite little about it and have not yet found very god sources.

 

[BillJ]

Do you have a link or something to more pictures and material of Phase II in production? I was always fascinated by that series, sadly, I know quite little about it and have not yet found very god sources.

Look for Star Trek: Phase II: The Lost Series by judith and Garfield Reeves-Stephens.

https://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Ph...1536580863&sr=8-1&keywords=star+trek+phase+ii

Some inaccuracies, but it has the "In Thy Image" script and plot synopsis for all 13 episodes. Plus some images and art.

 

[Mr Awe]

Still, slagging off TOS sets probably not the way to make friends and influence people

Definitely this! While I don't expect TOS recreated, show a bit of respect. And, they need to quit saying they're made of "cardboard." I don't think they were made of cardboard at all. Plyboard, sure. Cardboard, no. Big difference. They should make use of the more advance material and methods that are available today. But, the TOS *design* was inspired.

 

[Lieut. Arex]

"cardboard", these little jackasses, need to put a cork in it, let's give them 1964 tech and funds and see what they do, probably nothing that is as remembered or influential as was done, all they're doing is bending someone else's forms and slapping new paint on it

 

[Tuskin38]

Aren’t they the same?

No, they were two completely different sets.

"cardboard", these little jackasses, need to put a cork in it

Wow calm down.

But, the TOS *design* was inspired.

Lmao no it wasn't. It was a bunch of flat walls and solid colours.

 

[BillJ]

Lmao no it wasn't. It was a bunch of flat walls and solid colours.

It was quite a bit more than "flat walls and solid colors", it was a real leap in what we had seen on TV up to that point.

That we're still talking about 50 years later. That they felt the need to run down, in order to lift up their own new interpretations. Something where "our interpretation is going to match the universe created in Discovery" was all that was really needed.

 

[Nerys Myk]

"cardboard", these little jackasses, need to put a cork in it, let's give them 1964 tech and funds and see what they do, probably nothing that is as remembered or influential as was done, all they're doing is bending someone else's forms and slapping new paint on it

The price of materials and labor would also have to be from 1964.

 

[Tuskin38]

That they felt the need to run down, in order to lift up their own new interpretations.

Just like with TMP

 

[BillJ]

Just like with TMP

I don't recall anyone saying that TOS sets were done with cardboard. Can you refresh my memory?

 

[Tuskin38]

I don't recall anyone saying that TOS sets were done with cardboard. Can you refresh my memory?

I misread your post.

But still don't think they intended anything bad when they called them cardboard.

 

[BillJ]

I misread your post.

Fair enough.

 

[Tuskin38]

Fair enough.

Yeah I was trying to say that the TMP set designers updated the design for the increased budget and bigger screen like DSC did.

I'll say it now though, I prefer the TOS Movie interiors (not TMP) over the DSC interiors.

Although the Shenzhou bridge is one of my favourites, I just wish we got to see it in brighter lighting.

 

[BillJ]

Yeah I was trying to say that the TMP set designers updated the design for the increased budget and bigger screen like DSC did.

They did. They just had enough class to not tear down what came before. I'd feel the same way if they were reinterpreting TNG and called their sets "cardboard".

 

[Tuskin38]

I'd feel the same way if they were reinterpreting TNG and called their sets "cardboard".

Except the TNG sets don't look like that, so I doubt they would.

 

[BillJ]

Except the TNG sets don't look like that, so I doubt they would.

Umm... you look closely, and it is basically the same plywood TOS used. The leap in set construction really didn't start to take hold until Deep Space Nine.

 

[Mr Awe]

Lmao no it wasn't. It was a bunch of flat walls and solid colours.

Nope. There's a lot more to it than that. There was a lot of consultation over how to design the layout of the bridge, sickbay, etc. I'm talking about the actual design of the spaces, the physical layout, work environments, etc. I'm NOT talking about wall textures and color choices. What you're referring to is interior decorating--not design. TOS' design was truly inspired.

 

[Tuskin38]

Umm... you look closely, and it is basically the same plywood TOS used. The leap in set construction really didn't start to take hold until Deep Space Nine.

The designs are a lot more detailed though. It isn't as flat.

The TNG sets hold up a lot better then the TOS series ones.

 

[BillJ]

The TNG sets hold up a lot better then the TOS series ones.

I really disagree. I think the TOS sets looked more authentic. Lets be honest, the plexiglass on the TNG displays with LCARS look like plexiglass. It was innovative idea, but the technology simply wasn't there to make it look like anything more than plexiglass (and now touchscreens are far more advanced, heck the Discovery touchscreens are far more advanced). The hotel aesthetic and beige everywhere screams the 1980's.

I say this as someone who actually loves the Enterprise-D and the TNG sets.

 

[BillJ]

I really disagree. I think the TOS sets looked more authentic. Lets be honest, the plexiglass on the TNG displays with LCARS look like plexiglass. It was innovative idea, but the technology simply wasn't there to make it look like anything more than plexiglass (and now touchscreens are far more advanced, heck the Discovery touchscreens are far more advanced). The hotel aesthetic and beige everywhere screams the 1980's.

I say this as someone who actually loves the Enterprise-D and the TNG sets.

I should probably amend this, as certain TNG sets were built to a higher standard than the average TV sets. The corridor sets, the heavy duty doors are more detailed, but they weren't built for TNG. They were built and used heavily for the Trek feature films before TNG ever came along.

 

[Jadeb]

I really disagree. I think the TOS sets looked more authentic. Lets be honest, the plexiglass on the TNG displays with LCARS look like plexiglass. It was innovative idea, but the technology simply wasn't there to make it look like anything more than plexiglass (and now touchscreens are far more advanced, heck the Discovery touchscreens are far more advanced). The hotel aesthetic and beige everywhere screams the 1980's.

I say this as someone who actually loves the Enterprise-D and the TNG sets.

The TNG bridge hasn’t aged well at all, IMO. The static displays look just as stagey as TOS, and there’s a tremendous amount of dead, wasted space. Add all the beige and it looks, well, dull, which I would never say about the TOS bridge.