Things that made you go... Why? or How?

[Mojochi]

Why would you even make it an option to disable safety protocols on a Holodeck?

That's just one example of how the holodeck can be used for more than just entertainment applications. Another might be using it as a triage overflow for sickbay. They could generate hundreds or thousands of EMHs to administer medical aid to whole civilizations... but only if they could do real things like actually cut into a living body. I don't watch the show much, but I have to imagine Voyager's EMH has no holodeck safeties interfering with his ministrations

How come that Picard's most urgent wish was to be surrounded with children since he disliked them so much that he told Riker that one of his most important tasks was to keep them away from him?!

I doubt it was Picard's most urgent wish to have a family. However, it has been foremost on his mind of late, since Rene & Robert had just died, potentially ending his family line but for him (Rene's there in the Nexus too). It's the only relevant reason to have that dumb plot point at all. It gives Picard something to fantasize about in the Nexus, which aligns with a theory of mine about it. The Nexus doesn't give you your most fulfilling desire. It reads what you are currently preoccupied with, & gives you some fantasy of that, maybe presuming its your greatest desire

Take Kirk. We know damn well captaining is ALL that fulfills him. Is that what he's doing in the Nexus? Nope. That guy was currently retired, & pining for the old days. He was reveling in the fantasy of telling his woman (Antonia?) he was returning to Starfleet, because that's what's been on his mind... telling her that. It's making him live & relive that fantasy, of when he's choosing to make the announcement. It sounds like such a curse to me lol

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

The Ba'ku remind me a great deal of the Amish: my understanding is that some Amish do make limited use of post-steam technology at work; they just don't allow it in their homes. (I've personally encountered a number of fellow Amtrak passengers who, from their appearance, appear to be either Amish, Mennonite, or Hutterite.) Just because they turn their back on modern technology doesn't mean that the Ba'ku can't deal with it, should the need arise.

For my own part, how is it that (1) a salt vampire could go on a rampage through the ship without setting off internal sensors (think about it: venus drugs could set off alarms in McCoy's monitors), and (2) no non-lethal means could be found to stop said salt vampire, despite the fact that he/she was quite capable of carrying on an intelligent conversation. (Weak concepts on top of a stereotypical monster whose natural appearance is nightmare-inducing, and a creepier score than "Catspaw," "Wolf in the Fold," and "That Which Survives" combined.)

 

[Discofan]

When you watch "Insurrection" it's quite obvious that there aren't any machines around, the most complex thing they are using are pulleys. If these people are hiding technology somewhere (and why would they?), it's very well hidden. As for the guy who made a comment about Data, maybe he carries a small robot-repairing toolkit in his pocket... again, why would he? Or just made a visual assessment based on his memories, which seems far more plausible. For the life of me, I can't see these people pulling starships out of their sleeves to tell their children to get lost (in outer space). I can't see their children (who evidently aren't told anything about technology) rediscovering it on their own. It takes hundreds of years to entire civilizations to discover technology from the medieval level these people seem to think is the ideal life.

 

[SpyOne]

I like the theory that the Nexus gives you what you're thinking about when you enter it.
Guinan wanted a place where she could stay forever.
Soran probably wanted a place to plan vengeance. Or whatever: it was a place he wanted to go back to, specifically why isn't important.
Picard had been thinking about not wanting to be the last of his family, so it both gave him dead relatives back and created a fictional family for him.

My read on Kirk's fantasy was that it never really was. That the reason the woman at the cabin wasn't Edith Keeler or someone was that retiring to the cabin was never what Kirk had actually wanted, so his vision of it wasn't fully formed.
And that the reason we never see the woman is that she doesn't really exist: in Kirk's vague notion of his retirement he'd be with a woman because that is what the typical imaginary retirement is: you and someone significant to you and all the free time in the world. But Kirk had never penciled in a specific woman.
The fact that he knows her name is probably his mind playing tricks on him, and I bet he can't describe her.

Because yeah, Kirk doesn't actually want to retire. If he's being honest, his long-term goals for the future involve risking himself to save the ship one too many times and dying while in command.

 

[SpyOne]

About the Kazon: as noted by others, they can tell the Caretaker is dying and when he does the first in line will get rich or at least get prestige.
This was supposed to set the Kazon up as recurring villians, which makes sense if you focus on the phrase "relentlessly pursued". Each time Voyager defeats or evades the Kazon, it only increases the fame of whoever finally beats and seizes Voyager.
Not all the writers on Voyager were on the same page about what Voyager would be like, and one of them took his rejected ideas to make Battlestar Galactica.

So the Kazon in the desert were supposed to establish the Kazon as stubborn and tenacious so we'd understand one or more factions deciding to hunt Voyager for years.

 

[Nightdiamond]

Hmm. If we decide to think that the Briar Patch in the movie is the same place that Arik Soong called the Briar Patch in the ENT Augments episodes, then this place was within Earth's sphere of influence in the 22nd century already - the Augments hiding in there expected to be chased by Earth ships, even though, say, Klingon ships were out of the question.

How does one claim a planet anyway? Just settling there shouldn't count for much. If Vulcans landed on the Moon in 1973 and established a settlement, would they own the place? What if they landed in 1953? Or 2063, when Earth might be in a position to do something about it, but human lunar settlements wouldn't exist (yet/any longer?)?

Timo Saloniemi

Because the Federation was an expansionist power in the Alpha quadrant perhaps?
JB

Most likely the starships the Son'a used to leave the planet, were left over from when their ancestors first arrived there. (They had to get there somehow...) And once in space, the Son'a would have plenty of time to build a fleet of their own.



Because the Ba'ku weren't native to the planet. They don't have any legal claim on it.

That doesn't make any sense, the Federation isn't native to it either, it was (as far as we know) uninhabited. Whoever settles it first legally owns it. The Baku are the legal owners of the planet.[/QUOTE]

^ Actually, now that I think about it, the question of whether that planet is legally Federation territory wasn't actually resolved in the film, was it?

I remember the village elders telling Picard and crew to leave, and at first they were going to comply with that request (which would seem to support your position that the Ba'ku are indeed claiming the planet as their own). It was only when Picard became suspicious that they decided to remain.

In any case, I'm sure some compromise was worked out in the end. There wasn't a standoff or anything like that. And it's not like the Federation would put forth a huge amount of effort into claiming a planet that was in a strategically insignificant (but very dangerous) sector of space...

I don't know if this is just a Wiki thing or not, but it says that the Baku settled the planet around 2061 in the 21st century. Humans had barely invented the warp drive. The Federation was only founded 100 years later.

This means the Baku had warp tech and settled there 100 years before Starfleet the or Federation came into existence. So the Fed comes along and studies and claims jurisdiction over a culture and makes decisions (and deals) over their fate.

This becomes an issue of the Federation colonizing or attempting to colonize another culture's planet unless another explanation comes up.

 

[Nyotarules]

Here's an even better question; How could the Federation claim the space the Baku planet was in when the Baku settled there 100 years before the Federation was even founded?

Because the Federation are really imperialists like 16th century Europe.

 

[flandry84]

So,was there only one ship full of Son’a?
There seemed to be less than a hundred Baku.

Poorly thought out movie IMO,baffling from a studio perspective when so much money is at stake.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

IIRC, there were at least three Son’a cruisers in the film.

 

[flandry84]

I couldn’t bear the thought of rewatching the movie to find out.
Thank you for taking that bullet.

 

[Farscape One]

I mentioned this is another thread... in "The Chase", the Yridian ship is destroyed in a single phaser shot. Worf said phasers were not powerful enough to do that, so why did that happen?

Ferengi starships in TNG are shown to be on par with Starfleet ships. So why did we not encounter any in DS9? One would think the Nagus would travel in a top of the line Ferengu ship.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I mentioned this is another thread... in "The Chase", the Yridian ship is destroyed in a single phaser shot. Worf said phasers were not powerful enough to do that, so why did that happen?

Ferengi starships in TNG are shown to be on par with Starfleet ships. So why did we not encounter any in DS9? One would think the Nagus would travel in a top of the line Ferengu ship.

Don't they say it was loaded with weapons in their cargo bay and the shot caused a chain reaction? Or am I thinking of another episode?

 

[Farscape One]

You are thinking of "Unification I".

 

[at Quark's]

So,was there only one ship full of Son’a?
There seemed to be less than a hundred Baku.

Poorly thought out movie IMO,baffling from a studio perspective when so much money is at stake.

Who needs a solid, coherent story background that has been thought through somewhat, when you already have cool special effects, and 'splosions, and action Hero Picard with a love interest, and a joystick to steer the ship as an added bonus?

 

[thribs]

The Son’a was a collection of races with the Baku outcasts being the leaders.

 

[Tim Thomason]

The Son’a was a collection of races with the Baku outcasts being the leaders.

Yep, in a rare case of actually showing subject races (Tarlac and Ellora) serving alongside the Son'a on their ships.

 

[F. King Daniel]

You are thinking of "Unification I".

I stand corrected.

 

[Discofan]

I stand corrected.

That's the problem, right there. You'd be much more comfortable typing your responses sitting down.

 

[F. King Daniel]

That's the problem, right there. You'd be much more comfortable typing your responses sitting down.

I take your sitting down and typing and raise you laying in bed tapping at my phone.

 

[Coyote Annabis]

In the Voyager episode Timeless:

The quantum slipstream drive was erratic and unstable, wouldn't work for a single push the full distance home, but by the end they had figured out how to forcibly collapse the field and drop out of the slipsream safely. Their short burst managed to knock 10 years off their trip...

So why did they dismantle it? They could have used it in short bursts, keeping the calculations to collapse the field handy as an abort code. Hell they could have them programmed into a single button on any panel.

In between jumps they could explore and go over sensor data from the previous jump. Even if each jump only got them a year closer to home, by the time they got home they could have figured out all the kinks and had a fully functional quantum slipstream drive.