Nope. There would just have been an alternate timeline created in which Soran actually blew up the star, and a new timeline where he didn't.
How would you fix Generations without a complete rewrite?
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Nope. There would just have been an alternate timeline created in which Soran actually blew up the star, and a new timeline where he didn't.
Start off with the TNG crew. Have part of Worfs promotion be him reliving the events of the Enterprise B launch, with him in the captains chair, trying to save the ship without losing anyone. He loses Kirk in the simulation, but Picard tells him that Kirk was lost in the real event, so he did well (this gives us Kirk interacting with more than just Picard, even if it is a simulation). Get rid of the awkward moments with Datas emotion chip, instead give us a learning period where his emotions are more subdued. Make Soran ally with Sela instead of Lursa and Betor, with the Romulans wanting to use the Nexus for time travel into the past. This not only gives us one more moment with Sela, but allows the Enterprise D to be destroyed by a Romulan Bird of Prey, a much more believeable feat. Give us a line about being unable to modulate shields for some reason during the battle.
Simple. Don't kill Kirk. Preferably, do not even involve him. Wherever it says Kirk in the script change it to Pavel Chekov.
Nope. There would just have been an alternate timeline created in which Soran actually blew up the star, and a new timeline where he didn't.
And then a time loop where Picard comes back and stops him again, and then again, each time creating a new fork in the timeline for infinity.....more paradox.
And then a time loop where Picard comes back and stops him again, and then again, each time creating a new fork in the timeline for infinity.....more paradox.
One wonders on an alternative universe where the scripts of "All Good Things..." and "Generations" got swapped, and the big finale to the TV show was the destruction of the Enterprise and Picard being left inside his Nexus fantasy life... cue the movie, which opens at Picard's future vinyard with the older Picard having lived a happy family life for several decades, only for Q to appear trying to convince him he's caught up inside this energy ribbon and starts throwing him backwards and forewards through time as a means of reminding him what his real life is, and why he needs to leave the nexus and put history back on it's true course...
Soran needed more of a personal connection to Kirk, in order for any death resulting from that confrontation to have any meaning. It would give impetus to leave the Nexus to finish a fight.
I'll say this no matter how unpopular it may be... Kirk's death in Generations is essential. It's a century later and Kirk shouldn't be allowed to end up this desiccated bitter old man like McCoy, knocking about moaning about all the change. He goes down ironically, kicking the bucket one day before retirement.
Malcolm McDowell is awesome in Generations, but just that extra added layer of him potentially being this huge TOS-era villain (even if we never heard of him before), who Picard and TNG crew have to close the book on, would make the picture gel better.
So basically they needed to rewrite Soran to be more of an out and out threat in the 23rd Century opening, rather than a victim we feel slightly sorry for during the rest of the film.
I'll say this no matter how unpopular it may be... Kirk's death in Generations is essential. It's a century later and Kirk shouldn't be allowed to end up this desiccated bitter old man like McCoy, knocking about moaning about all the change. He goes down ironically, kicking the bucket one day before retirement.
Malcolm McDowell is awesome in Generations, but just that extra added layer of him potentially being this huge TOS-era villain (even if we never heard of him before), who Picard and TNG crew have to close the book on, would make the picture gel better.
So basically they needed to rewrite Soran to be more of an out and out threat in the 23rd Century opening, rather than a victim we feel slightly sorry for during the rest of the film.
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Great idea!
I can imagine Kirk and Soren meeting in the 24th century again, and Kirk greeting Soren's surprise by ironically quoting his catchphrase back at him.
"Remember when you told me time is a fire in which we all burn? I've come back to light a match." (smacks Soren in face)
A lot of fans want to see Sela in a film and it does seem cool but probably more believable that she was massively demoted after two of her plots, especially the second, turned out to be debacles. But maybe she could retain one, kind of personal, Warbird and have a similar underdog style while also being more of a threat.
If a new timeline is created that’s running parallel to the old one (read: Kelvin Timeline) then there’s no paradox.
If it were my brother and nephew I was saving, I’d give the DTI the middle finger.
So you are saying if you go back in time and kill your Grandfather so you were never born - there is no time paradox, just two timelines - one where you exist and one where you do not? And if in the one timeline where you exist you go back and do it over and over creating infinite timelines without you a there is no paradox?
Yes.
You would not be going back and doing it over and over, because you only need to kill your grandfather once to create the separate timeline where you don’t exist. Your own original timeline where you came from is unaffected. Your grandfather is still alive in your original timeline.
There’s only a paradox if there is only one timeline. Which is why time travel doesn’t work under close scrutiny unless the result of the time travel is that multiple timelines/universes are created from it.
Now with that said, keep in mind that Star Trek has never portrayed time travel in any kind of consistent way. It’s all make-believe, after all.
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I always kinda liked the idea that we never knew what happened to Kirk. Maybe he hooked back up with Carol Marcus and lived out his days on some science colony by her side. Maybe he got re-promoted to Admiral and become a special liaison to the Klingon military. Maybe he got his own personal ship and just went out into uncharted space by himself ala Zeferam Cochrane. The possibilities were endless.
Which is in the movie as it is anyway. Soran can only be prevented from succeeding by the result of his own success in another timeline. Ergo, kirks body must vanish as the timeline catches up and Kirk is still in the nexus. That or the universe will explode. Needed a Yoda style fade and some exposition from Picard. It would turn Kirk into something like an Arthur figure...asleep in the nexus until the time of the federations greatest need.
I was 11 in 1994 (and I was rabidly a TNG fan, to the point of being able to forgive anything 
), but even back then my biggest beef is when Picard and Kirk go back, we get a reprise of events up to and including the saucer crash, but then Kirk is just there standing on the platform with Soran instead of Picard... so what happens to the 'other' Picard, the one we see trying to crawl under Soran's force field a moment before? Or are we supposed to accept that Picard from the future overwrites this Picard? And nothing about what we're shown or told about the Nexus suggests it is capable of time travel until Guinan's echo arbitrarily declares it so, which leads one to the popular theory that Picard and Kirk never actually leave the Nexus at all, and the whole let's-team-up-and-defeat-Soran-on-the-summit reprise is just another illusion from inside Jean-Luc's head.
@M.A.C.O. is right. Thinking about this movie for more than two seconds causes it to completely fall to pieces.
), but even back then my biggest beef is when Picard and Kirk go back, we get a reprise of events up to and including the saucer crash, but then Kirk is just there standing on the platform with Soran instead of Picard... so what happens to the 'other' Picard, the one we see trying to crawl under Soran's force field a moment before? Or are we supposed to accept that Picard from the future overwrites this Picard? And nothing about what we're shown or told about the Nexus suggests it is capable of time travel until Guinan's echo arbitrarily declares it so, which leads one to the popular theory that Picard and Kirk never actually leave the Nexus at all, and the whole let's-team-up-and-defeat-Soran-on-the-summit reprise is just another illusion from inside Jean-Luc's head.@M.A.C.O. is right. Thinking about this movie for more than two seconds causes it to completely fall to pieces.
Would've made Kirk aware he was in a simulation and have him working on it for years on a way to get out. TOS Kirk would have found a way, even if it took generations. In that regard he could have been Picard's guide out of the Nexus. They didn't really do Kirk's character justice in the movie.
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