NCC-1701-A: The Troubleshooter Theory

[cgervasi]

One story I heard is that Shatner demanded a rewrite, because the original version of that speech was just a little bit too obvious about handing the franchise over to The Next Generation and he bristled against that

Im sure that’s not true, since the actual speech was extremely obvious that he was referring to TNG.

TNG had been running for just over four years. That seemed like an eternity to me, being 16 when Star Trek VI came out. I had no notion Kirk was referring to TNG. TNG made it clear that it was more than one generation in the future, and the TOS characters were all dead or very old.

 

[Dukhat]

TNG had been running for just over four years. That seemed like an eternity to me, being 16 when Star Trek VI came out. I had no notion Kirk was referring to TNG. TNG made it clear that it was more than one generation in the future, and the TOS characters were all dead or very old.

So here's Kirk's quote:

This is the final cruise of the Starship Enterprise under my command. This ship and her history will shortly become the care of a new generation. To them and their posterity will we commit our future. They will continue the voyages we have begun and journey to ALL the undiscovered countries, boldly going where no man... where no ONE has gone before.

(bolded words/statements, emphasis mine)

If you don't think that's foreshadowing TNG, then I'm not sure what to tell you. Because that quote is chock full of TNG references. "Generation," "continue the voyages," and especially "ONE," since TNG changed the opening monologue from "man" to "one."

 

[F. King Daniel]

TNG had been running for just over four years. That seemed like an eternity to me, being 16 when Star Trek VI came out. I had no notion Kirk was referring to TNG. TNG made it clear that it was more than one generation in the future, and the TOS characters were all dead or very old.

I'm pretty sure Denny Martin Flynn intended the Next Gen crew to literally receive the keys to the Enterprise at the end, until he was informed that the shows took place a century apart and on different ships.

 

[Lance]

So here's Kirk's quote:

This is the final cruise of the Starship Enterprise under my command. This ship and her history will shortly become the care of a new generation. To them and their posterity will we commit our future. They will continue the voyages we have begun and journey to ALL the undiscovered countries, boldly going where no man... where no ONE has gone before.

If you don't think that's foreshadowing TNG, then I'm not sure what to tell you. Because that quote is chock full of TNG references. "Generation," "continue the voyages," and especially "ONE," since TNG changed the opening monologue from "man" to "one."

Um, no, what you quoted was the version before the rewrite. In the version that made it to film Kirk refers only to "another crew", not a new generation. It was exactly those words that Shatner objected to.

 

[Dukhat]

Um, no, what you quoted was the version before the rewrite. In the version that made it to film Kirk refers only to "another crew", not a new generation. It was exactly those words that Shatner objected to.

Irregardless, the quote still refers to a foreshadowing of TNG.

 

[cgervasi]

I'm pretty sure Denny Martin Flynn intended the Next Gen crew to literally receive the keys to the Enterprise at the end, until he was informed that the shows took place a century apart and on different ships.

Um, no, what you quoted was the version before the rewrite. In the version that made it to film Kirk refers only to "another crew", not a new generation. It was exactly those words that Shatner objected to.

Irregardless, the quote still refers to a foreshadowing of TNG.

I do not understand this discussion. TNG came out in Sept 1987. Star Trek VI: TUC came out Dec 1991. It seemed like different worlds to me. I was 12 and 16 y/o respectively. When I saw TUC in the theater, I thought of TNG has a show that had been on for ages. Since TNG started, the computer store had gone from having a small IBM PC section to being mostly IBM PC; the record store had gone from having CDs to being mostly CDs; the Berlin Wall had come down; I had gone from not shaving to shaving daily; and somehow, despite being such a nerd, I had had girlfriends.

Now four years goes by in the blink of an eye. Maybe it seemed that way to the people making the films. For me, TNG was nearly an old classic.

 

[Dukhat]

I do not understand this discussion.

It’s very simple. At the time, TUC was going to be the last time we ever saw the TOS crew. So they were giving a nod to TNG at the end.