I loved DS9 but hated the symbiont concept as an affront to humanoid dignity, and disgusting.
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I loved DS9 but hated the symbiont concept as an affront to humanoid dignity, and disgusting.
I loved DS9 but hated the symbiont concept as an affront to humanoid dignity, and disgusting.
Interesting take! I personally adored both Jadzia and Ezri, and hated Dax.
Interesting take! I personally adored both Jadzia and Ezri, and hated Dax.
Yeah, the women as such were fine, but Dax is a slimy, invasive parasite that turns a person into a puppet.
TOS might have played it as a bad thing, because human dignity was a major theme of the series. Look at The Cage, This Side of Paradise, Operation Annihilate. [Countervailing examples: Metamorphosis, Is There in Truth No Beauty. But those were non-corporeal visitations on the person, not a giant parasitic worm.]
DS9's writers didn't see it as a question of human dignity, and whether a person should be used like that. They were great writers, but they had some blind spots. The essence of immorality is to use a person as a means rather than an end in him- or herself.
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The Symbiont creates a personality of both individuals and grants memories from the other times it had joined to other people! Not a monster as such but it's true appearance was something other than pleasant I'll grant you and it was not malevolent!
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It’s Star Trek’s version of a Time Lord, except they can gender swap.I loved DS9 but hated the symbiont concept as an affront to humanoid dignity, and disgusting.
You may not have been paying attention, but we now have three onscreen examples and one alluded of regeneration swapping gender.
That’s NuWho nonsense. I only see the classic as proper Doctor Who.
I was watching the Carbonite manoeuvre the other week and noticed Kirk referred to the Enterprise being the, “United Earth vessel Enterprise”. Makes me think this episode was written before the Federation was a thing which makes the First Federation a even weirder name.
Regarding the year 2018; in the original TOS timeline this was most likely when Zephrem Cochrane, as a still relatively young man, "discovered" the space warp making interstellar travel possible, first with unmanned probes (Nomad) and shortly thereafter, crewed vessels (Valiant). Zephrem Cochrane "of Alpha Centuari" was so-called because he was instrumental in spearheading the colonization of an Earth-like planet in that system. eventually, at the age of 87 Cochrane having led a productive and full life, decides he wants to die in space and charts a course for parts unknown. All this taking place approximately 200 to 250 years before TOS.
The United Federation of Planets was a term coined by Gene L. Coon and he wasn't part of the series when The Corobomite Maneuver was written. The earliest terms used for the group the Enterprise report to were Earth centric, like UESPA in Charlie X and not actually said in full as the United Earth Space Probe Agency until Tomorrow is Yesterday, which was actually after Coon arrived, so perhaps it's a department of Star Fleet Command. Although, I'm sure this will spark a 15 page discussion as to why it doesn't count beyond two episodes.... anyway....
It is weird that it's the "First" Federation. If they hadn't planned the UFP yet, what is the second federation?
There could be many other federations that the First Federation knows about and wants to claim to be older than and higher than.
Suppose that nobody would ever claim to be a galactic republic or a galactic federation or a galactic empire or a galactic union or any other type of galactic realm unless they ruled at least ten thousand star systems. How many "galactic" realms could there be in a million star systems? Up to a hundred depending on how many star systems were not ruled by a realm that claimed to be "galactic" in scope.
So if nobody would be arrogant enough to claim to be a "galactic" realm until they rule ten thousand star systems, how many "galactic" reams could fit inside our Milky Way Galaxy? If every star was ruled by one "galactic" realm or another, and if no "galactic" realm ruled more than the minimum 10,000 star systems, there could be as many as 20,000,000 to 40,000,000 "galactic" realms in our galaxy with 200,000,000,000 to 400,000,000,000 stars. And even one million "Galactic Federations" and "Galactic Unions", and "Galactic Empires" would be hard to keep track of.
"We're at war with the Galactic Federation!"
"Oh no! Uh, which Galactic Federation? The Galactic Federation of the Omhras?"
"No".
"Uh, the Zombratan's Galactic Federation?"
"No."
"Uh, that Galactic Federation that stretches from the Lorenzi Cluster to the Brukstren Nebula?"
"No."
"Tell me!"
"Guess."
"Tell me! I don't have all day to sit around guessing which Galactic Federation we are at war with."
Note that so far as I know no realm is all of Star Trek is arrogant enough to call itself the Galactic something.
And it seems to me that the First Federation could know about a lot of Federations of various sizes and might call itself the First Federation as a claim to some type of uniqueness or superiority.
KIRK: I love you.
SPOCK: I know.
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Probably should have watched it more carefully.
Oh I get it. I’ve spelt it wrong. Apologies.
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