TLJ Actor Kelly Marie Tran (Rose Tico) Deletes Instagram After Abuse

[ALF]

Diversity is used as a sales gimmick in Hollywood. That's a fact. It has become part of the promotional package for the movie to pat themselves on the back about diversity and how this or that is some great leap forward for mankind.

Diversity may indeed well be a sales gimmick. That pattern, emergent as it may be, argues that diversity in film is worthy of celebration. Isn't that how the free market works?

Seems cynical to suggest otherwise - that arranging a diverse cast into an entertaining movie will have no value.

 

[Trekkin]

Diversity is used as a sales gimmick in Hollywood. That's a fact. It has become part of the promotional package for the movie to pat themselves on the back about diversity and how this or that is some great leap forward for mankind. And a certain segment of the public is going to be more favorable towards projects that are framed this way than they would otherwise.

Entertainment choices have become a sort of quasi-activism where people wave the flag on social networks to prove how woke they are, even if the underlying film or TV show underneath it is mediocre.

Sturgeon's law says 90 some-odd percent of everything is crap. That's true regardless of the racial or gender makeup of the cast.

The human race is diverse.

The human race has money to spend.

People are more likely to see things that resonate closely with them, or reflect them.

Hollywood aims to sell to as many people as possible.

And ‘pats themselves on the backs’ when they succeed.

That’s your ‘facts.’

The rest is bitter denial that the previous model of ‘focus solely on the wealthiest group’ has been abandoned due to its limitations becoming clearer in an increasingly global and feedback-heavy environment, attempting to mask itself as some revelatory cynicism of consumerism.

Also, Sturgeons Law has nothing to do with anything. Thanks for wasteing a few milliseconds of my precious and finite time on earth, by linking to irrelevant information that I (and probably everyone else) already knew.

 

[Awesome Possum]

You'll find that there are people who aren't straight white cis men and they have money and are happy to spend money in shows and movies they can relate too. We've had to be able to relate to characters who aren't like us for our entire lives, straight white men can learn to relate to characters who aren't like them. It's called empathy, it's not hard.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm a straight white male. I learned that at 11.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I'm a straight white male. I learned that at 11.

It’s a basic human skill, but it seems a good number of people missed that class.

 

[JD]

Diversity is used as a sales gimmick in Hollywood. That's a fact. It has become part of the promotional package for the movie to pat themselves on the back about diversity and how this or that is some great leap forward for mankind. And a certain segment of the public is going to be more favorable towards projects that are framed this way than they would otherwise.

Entertainment choices have become a sort of quasi-activism where people wave the flag on social networks to prove how woke they are, even if the underlying film or TV show underneath it is mediocre.

Sturgeon's law says 90 some-odd percent of everything is crap. That's true regardless of the racial or gender makeup of the cast.

Hmm, I'm definitely noticing a trend with these kinds of posts and who's making them....
I think it's great to see the big franchises like SW adding a bit more diversity. The majority of people want to start to see more than just a bunch of white dudes in all of their movies, and the people making the movies are finally starting to recognize that.

 

[fireproof78]

All I want is a good story. I don't care what race or gender the actor is playing them. I struggle to see how increasing audience draw is a bad thing.

 

[Jayson1]

I think white people and men have been able to look beyond race and gender when it comes to entertainment. I mean does anyone think that out of all those NBA and NFL fans that you don't have any who are racist? Strong female characters like RIpley Sarah Conor have also been accepted despite sexism. The entertainment field has been one of the few places were race and gender is something people can sometimes get past that stuff.

I think the difference is these things were usually done in away that didn't feel political which is impossible in this day and age because the internet makes everything political and also because diversity has created more characters who aren't just white. Of course nobody notices that due to the fact their is one zillion tv shows on tv their is plenty of white leads and characters on tv. Naturally all they do is pay attention to is the massive franchies so when they see diversity it feels like they are being pushed out. If one's entire tv landscape amounts to 10 shows and those shows don't have at least half of those 10 with white leads then it seems like white people are barely on tv anymore.
TO be fair I don't think the amount of diversity we do see is fully apreciated either because I don't think everyone really knows what the modern tv landscape looks like beyond those select shows they tend to watch. If race or gender is such a important issue to a point where people can only watch stuff that they see themselves in then tv will have those shows for you. Hell you got so many options you can build tv watching themes around this stuff if you want. If you want to spend a week watching only shows about mostly white nerds, tv has stuff for you. Want to spend a week watching mostly all female casts shows. Tv can deliver that as well . Pretty much anything yo want to watch you can watch and also have a good selection to choose from. Except gay and transgender leads. While you have plenty of gay characters on tv you still have few leads who aren't hetrosexual.

Jason

 

[Mach5]

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[Trekkin]

Takes Grandma to premiers.
Calls out the obnoxious vocal minority
Is apparently going to physically be 24 forever.

Maybe Megan Betty was onto something during sixth form, with all that post-AOTC ‘perfect man’ business.

 

[Mudd]

I liked Tran and Hamill better than anything else in the movie. I could certainly stand a lot more of Rose and a lot less of, oh, Ren and Poe in the next one.

 

[The Doctor]

All I want is a good story. I don't care what race or gender the actor is playing them. I struggle to see how increasing audience draw is a bad thing.

Because, I've been catered to my whole life. Everything has been about, and for, me.

Even a slight reduction MUST NOT BE TOLERATED.

 

[Jayson1]

I liked Tran and Hamill better than anything else in the movie. I could certainly stand a lot more of Rose and a lot less of, oh, Ren and Poe in the next one.

This is how I feel. Tran's character is underused. It's kind of a problem with all the Disney Star Wars movies. Most of the new human characters are just kind of boring. They nail the Droids in ever movie. We haven't had one bad droid yet and they always steal ever movie but I feel like the new human characters never really replaced Solo,Luke,Leia and Darth Vadar in terms of interest. Tran would have made a big difference if her character was a main character from start and simply go back to the drawing board with who else you want to add. Heck you could even use the same actors because they are all fine but just create more interesting characters for them to play or in the case of Finn don't make the ex-storm trooper comic relief. His character should be dangerous and someone you don't know you can trust. Maybe even a edgier version of Han Solo. Tran would be the comic relief. Ren can be the new Luke but pair her off with orginal Luke in the first movie and Poe can be the by-the book character who doesn't want to take chances.

Jason

 

[Mudd]

I don't think Tran was underused - she's pretty central much of the action in TLJ. But I'd like to see more of her in the next one.

 

[Tuskin38]

Loan Tran

At first I thought you were making fun of her in some way, but no you’re just using her Birth Name.

Just seems odd coming from you.

 

[cultcross]

If you are cast for the sake of representation, you are immediately held to a higher standard than your White counterparts

Only by the sort of person who sees a minority on screen and thinks 'diversity hire'.

 

[cultcross]

Donnie Yen in Rogue One was received well as well.

Yen originally wasn't keen on the role because it was an Asian stereotype - the mystic monk martial arts expert - that he was sick of. He said in an interview:

“Even after all of that, Îmwe still came out a cliché. But if you think he’s a cliché on screen, you should’ve seen the original script they offered me. It was why I was initially hesitant to take on the role. But I understand why. They can’t have an overhaul overnight. There’s a large audience that has never watched Asians in films before, so it takes time for them to process an Asian actor. To realise that he’s no different from a Caucasian actor or a black actor.”

Tran had a tougher ride straight out because she wasn't playing the sort of role which traditionally goes to Asians - she's not there to offer zen life advice or kick ass with a stick. She's portraying a character who just happens to be Asian; what Yen wanted, and didn't quite achieve, with Imwe.

 

[Trekkin]

“Even after all of that, Îmwe still came out a cliché. But if you think he’s a cliché on screen, you should’ve seen the original script they offered me.”

Dear lord.

Following that logic train, I’m wondering what poor old Wen Jiang’s initial ‘less-nuanced’ script looked like. A single stage direction of: ‘stand around and look big?’

 

[JD]

Is apparently going to physically be 24 forever.

Seriously. I swear the man has not aged at all in 13 years.

 

[Nveid Jo'rek]

I'm probably going to be hated for this, but I wasn't all that impressed with Kelly Marie Tran or her character's presence. To me, it seemed more like she was put there to distract Finn from Rey. But the thought of harassing and attacking Tran just for doing her job is straight-up psychopathic to me.