I think it’s part that and part pushing for recognition factor from the other movies. The BoP is a co star in three or four of the previous six.
Enterprise-D destruction
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I think it’s part that and part pushing for recognition factor from the other movies. The BoP is a co star in three or four of the previous six.
The reasons why the BoP can get through the shields is clear, unfortunately it’s a reuse of an idea from an episode, and therefore really shouldn’t have happened. It’s also a side effect of losing the battle with Romulans from earlier in the story...the D does nothing but Taxi around then get destroyed.
Wasn't the USS Enterprise a real sailing ship?
Either way, they screwed that budget so hard. Money was spent in all the wrong places IMO. Especially the discarded, useless and ugly new uniforms.
I don't have a problem with how the BoP got through the shields, I thought it was quite a neat, plausible idea to be honest, it's just the inclusion of the vessel at all that's my problem, as it really should have been a TNG era vessel.
Interestingly, I've just been reading the Wikipedia page about the film, and apparently, the bit where the energy bolt hits the Enterprise-B, reuses an explosion effect from The Empire Strikes Back. I need to re-watch, I'm about due to having not seen the film for a couple of years.
It will be from the special editions. Same way the Praxis wave turns up as the Death Star explosion. There was VHS showing the making of Generations, and it doesn’t look like it sometimes, but a lot of work really went into it, especially in terms of the marrying of cgi and model making.
The HMS was location filming and set dressing to change the ship. They front loaded the budget in the first half of the film...then left themselves shooting and reshooting in a desert for their finale.
The biggest hangover, which led to the silly uniform debacle, was a lack of confidence. This film and the redesign for the enterprise e are direct results of basically wanting to tie themselves to the films that had come before rather than powering on the strength on the TNG brand alone.
The TNG sets had started off as film sets, so it wouldn’t be too hard to bring those up to spec, with the exception of the bridge as we know...that’s why the lighting got all moody. But the unused uniforms and the refit Connie influences in the sovereign are all because they were trying too hard to (a) differentiate from the extremely successful TV series that was their whole point and (b) try to tie closer to the movie era. It also ha ha over the writing...Gen got good mileage out of Kirk in publicity, but I am not sure he was needed or handled well, let alone the early framing sequence. It kind of works, but it was shopping list writing. The later films all suffer from trying for the same themes and approach that worked in TWOK, and the only time that worked was F.C., because of the Borg as an actual thing from the series.
After that, it got a little silly, culminating in Nem. Tbh they should have just kept Frakes directing all of them, because he could do it well, and it streamlined things (probably cost less too.) in production. Had Frakes done NEM, with the exact same premise and even script, he would have done a much better job, and the actors would have had more enthusiasm. Baird is back to editing Tomb Raider films, so it’s not like that film did anyone a favour.
Surely the Praxis/Death Star is not the actual same footage though? It doesn't even look like the right angle etc?
I doubt it’s the same footage in gen from ESB. They are photographic elements, and cgi partially, so they can be reused all over the shop. In terms of the praxis wave, it’s clearly the exact same effect...now, whether they recoloured it and flipped it, or just recreated the exact same techniques, it’s gonna be cost that decides. I would suspect it’s easier to flip it on its side and recolour the exact same element and drop it in, either digitally or optically. It’s all ILM after all.
Even with shields down, a full phaser spread or torpedo spread should have blown that BOP to pieces. The Enterprise had the size and tonnage to take on such a small ship without her shields and still easily win. Its a shame the Ent-D had to go down I like the Sovereign but prefer the Galaxy design.
It’s been mentioned that the explosion of the Ent-D’s stardrive section was the same explosion of the Grissom in STIII, but I don’t have screencaps of the shots in question to compare. Either way, it wasn’t anywhere near as noticeable as the BoP explosion.
The HMS Enterprise wasn’t a ‘set,’ per we, but it was an incredibly expensive scene to shoot, factoring in the changes to the actual boat, the period costumes, and whatever they had to pay the owner of that ship. The biggest problem with that scene is that it was all about Worf’s promotion, which had nothing to do with the plot and was never mentioned again, when the true purpose of the scene was a plot contrivance to get Data to install the emotion chip. That could have been done in a far less expensive way.
The HMS Enterprise wasn’t a ‘set,’ per we, but it was an incredibly expensive scene to shoot, factoring in the changes to the actual boat, the period costumes, and whatever they had to pay the owner of that ship. The biggest problem with that scene is that it was all about Worf’s promotion, which had nothing to do with the plot and was never mentioned again, when the true purpose of the scene was a plot contrivance to get Data to install the emotion chip. That could have been done in a far less expensive way.
It just occurred to me that a much more satisfactory resolution to all of this would have been if the E-D had damaged but not destroyed the BoP and either a) the BoP crashes into the E-D, or b) the Klingon sisters intentionally ram the E-D hoping to take their enemies out with them.
Frakes wasn't available to direct Nemesis, as he was busy working on Clockstoppers, and I think he said that he might actually have turned it down anyway because he'd been frustrated with his experience on Insurrection.
That said, the incredibly obvious candidate to direct Nemesis was LeVar Burton, and to be fair I think Berman actually did realize that, but Paramount went over his head and gave the job to Baird.
And an even worse one, Stargate. That one stood out to me in the cinema as badly as Generations' BOP explosion. '94 was a good year for movies using old ST6 footage I guess.
GEN is one of those movies where, if you think about it, the entire film falls apart.
I think it was either Braga or Moore who pointed this out with regard to stopping Soran. They tried to explain that they were thinking about making the film so exciting that you wouldn't think about the holes.
I think it was either Braga or Moore who pointed this out with regard to stopping Soran. They tried to explain that they were thinking about making the film so exciting that you wouldn't think about the holes.
It was a good scene, I believe that the HMS Enterprise was a partial bluescreen set as well as the actual ship. The problem was that the movie hung worf to dry - as a Lt. Cmdr, he should have been given a greater role in the movie - he should have been kidnapped by Lursa and B'Etor (Who should have been excised from the movie altogether, but still...
The idea of "passing the torch" wasn't bad, per se, but the execution was terrible. Changing to the then-DS9 jumpsuit was also a cool idea, but it shouldn't have been done. It made no sense for the plot, the costumes didn't fit since they didn't have enough time to manufacture new ones, and the "old" TNG style was perfectly useable.
Frankly, "dropped the ball" pretty much describes the entire TNG movie series.
Agreed. It never made much sense why Soran couldn't just fly into the Nexus. Both Kirk and the E-D had unsatisfying deaths. Data was a coward. The holodeck scene was unnecessary. Then again, a lot of the Star Trek movies don't make too much sense when one tries to think them through logically, which is especially unfortunate as TPTB have to know the fans will nitpick these films for decades.
But back on topic, I'm pretty sure the saucer wouldn't have crashed if Wesley hadn't abandoned his post.
And the model had to have been salvagable, as I assume it was re-used in DS9.
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