Should they still make movies in the Kelvin Universe?

[Rahul]

Except that ST during that period really wasn't allowed to change its style. Unless you refer to the Bennett/Meyer movies.

People's unwillingness to accept STD as "prime" (whatever that really is, once you stop and think about it) is seeming evidence of how little change in style they are used to based on their experiences from the TNG~ENT years.

I would say that all TOS, TMP, TWOK, TNG, DS9 and eventual ENT had a very, very different style and aesthetic. Only VOY is clearly connecting between TNG and ENT. But if you look at the changes made from the original series, to the first movie, to the rest of the movies, to TNG and compare it with DS9?
That are a LOT of VERY different styles and aesthetics. Yet all of them worked together, simply because the style changed moving forward (or in ENT's case WAY backward) - You can tell literally any story you want, in any specific style you want in the Trek universe.
The only thing that always should have stayed the same, was the universe itself. But the universe doesn't dictate neither the stories, nor the style. It's just a common setting.
The problem with both DIS and the Kelvin movies is that they tell widely similar stories to what came before - but significantly alter the setting of their stories - they feel the need to alter the entire universe around their by-the-numbers stories - which absolutely makes no sense and is counter to shared universe telling.
Because that's the one only thing you should keep. The sandbox in which you can play. If you change the universe - then it's not a shared universe anymore. Simple stuff. Yet they inexplicitly did that, but still banked on the appeal of said shared universe.

 

[fireproof78]

Yep - bring more Kelvin!

I love the Kelvinverse movies - all three to date!

So engage the warp drive for a fourth movie (at least)!

Agreed. I think the more Trek, Kelvin and whatever else, is good. I thoroughly enjoy the Kelvin films, and perhaps scaling back, and making it a little more smaller production, smaller budget, and explore something different than what the shows are.

 

[Terok Nor]

I think Kelvin can be let off the hook in regards to visuals and canon inconsistencies. It's always been stated it's an alternate reality.

Discovery not so much. It just doesn't fit in with TOS visually. It doesn't even fit in with TNG era Trek visually but that all could have been avoided by not making it a damned prequel! Technology looking so advanced 20 years after Nemesis is an easy sell. That same technology and visuals existing alongside TOS is absurd. Even Enterprise attempted to look antiquated in comparison to TOS however it still looked out of sync. For me prequels to TOS don't work. The shows can be good but it's hard to buy into them being set before TOS when they look more advanced. There's also the fact TOS looks and feels like it originated in the 60s. The writing, the acting, the visuals are very of their time. Making a modern style prequel does little for me. It might as well be a reboot.

 

[stvlsc]

Yes I agree, the more Star Trek the better as long as the quality is good, though I feel the next film should it ever get off the ground should try and steer its own path through the universe rather than leaning too heavily in what has gone before.

 

[pst]

the only real issues with the kelvin timeline movies are separate from the movies themselves.

yes paramount should've released a film every two years. yes they should've built a multi-platform, cinematic universe around them. yes star trek beyond was poorly marketed, given a tough release date, and under performed at the box office.

but creatively and cinematically, these three films are about as good as we could've hoped for. the cast alone is worth the price of admission, to say nothing of the production design, music, VFX, and generally upbeat and uplifting experience these films represent.

so here's hoping paramount gets its shit together and makes more. as many as they can.

 

[plynch]

No care I.

 

[Malaika]

If they get everyone back, yes!
They barely started making movies about this reality! To end it all now is a waste. And I say, plant some seeds in the next movie so that in the future you can do spin offs too (young Picard? A movie where the protagonist is s/u son/daughter and new characters?)

 

[SolarisOne]

Well played, man. Well played.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Not only should they keep making movies with the Kelvin-TOS cast, but they should revive those ideas to expand the brand that were floating around in '15/'16. Remember "the SEAL Team Six of the Federation" movie the former head of Paramount spoke of? I suspect if Beyond reached expectations that would be in development right now.

 

[Rahul]

The band can't get back together because of Anton Yelchin's death.

You don't need the whole band to bring the band back together. But the lead singers are required.

As sad as Yelchin's departure is - I would prefer his role in the team would be replaced with Jaylah, and not recast. But what's absolutely necessary are Kirk and Spock. They are the face of the franchise. And to a lesser degree Uhura and McCoy. You can theoretically construct a Trek movie without the latter ones - say Kirk and Spock on a rogue mission away from the Enterprise, even though that would be awkward as hell.

But you absolutely need Kirk and Spock. And that means Pine and Quinto. That's why Paramount contracted them first and so many years ago for a ST4, even though they weren't even sure back then they would actually do a ST4. But without them, there simply is no movie.

 

[Smellmet]

You don't need the whole band to bring the band back together. But the lead singers are required.

As sad as Yelchin's departure is - I would prefer his role in the team would be replaced with Jaylah, and not recast. But what's absolutely necessary are Kirk and Spock. They are the face of the franchise. And to a lesser degree Uhura and McCoy. You can theoretically construct a Trek movie without the latter ones - say Kirk and Spock on a rogue mission away from the Enterprise, even though that would be awkward as hell.

But you absolutely need Kirk and Spock. And that means Pine and Quinto. That's why Paramount contracted them first and so many years ago for a ST4, even though they weren't even sure back then they would actually do a ST4. But without them, there simply is no movie.

I think Urban is as important as Pine and Quinto as he's been just as big a highlight of the series acting and character-wise, though I'd argue that Saldana and Cho are also required for this movie to go ahead.

Ironically Chekov is not only arguably the least important role out of the bridge crew, but the character also has history of not being present and being assigned away from the Enterprise, so for me, with the greatest respect for Yelchin, it's no great loss to the movies going forward. I'd happily see Jayla return, and don't want any recasting.

 

[Rahul]

I think Urban is as important as Pine and Quinto as he's been just as big a highlight of the series acting and character-wise, though I'd argue that Saldana and Cho are also required for this movie to go ahead.

Ironically Chekov is not only arguably the least important role out of the bridge crew, but the character also has history of not being present and being assigned away from the Enterprise, so for me, with the greatest respect for Yelchin, it's no great loss to the movies going forward. I'd happily see Jayla return, and don't want any recasting.

I love McCoy (and Karl Urban), and he might be as beloved as the rest of thre trio (same probably for Uhura in the Kelvin franchise) - but out of the three key players, he is the only one possibly replacable. Despite him stealing the show half of the time, is role still is that of a supporting character in the narrative. It would be a loss - yes, a giant one! - and w movie without him (or Uhura) would be awkward - but it still is possible to craft a TOS movie without him.

It's absolutely impossible to make a Star Trek TOS movie without both Kirk and Spock.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I think they could do an adventure where one or two of the characters are on shore leave and are swept up in an adventure away from the Enterprise and the rest of the cast. No expensive giant starship sets, no expensive returning actors (except maybe brief cameos via FaceTime or as a Disco-style hologram), set most of the action planetside and in a little Harry Mudd-style ship.

If imagine Kirk could have such an adventure by himself or with Spock or McCoy. Uhura could with Sulu perhaps.

In fact, Uhura and Sulu as leads would get some some POC/gay (character) lead publicity.

 

[Relayer1]

Yes. One more to wrap it up.

Reluctantly this.

I'd be quite happy if there were no more, but I suppose a proper end would be fitting.

 

[Terok Nor]

I wouldn't even want a TOS movie without Kirk. Pike was fine in The Cage and looks to be even better in Discovery but Kirk and Spock are the heart of TOS. I love all the other characters too but a whole movie without Kirk? Nah. Spock is certainly capable of carrying a movie as captain but it would feel like a limb is missing without Kirk.

On the subject of Chekov I'll be honest and state I never liked him in the original series. He was annoying as fuck. I began to like him in the original movie series and I also ended up liking Yelchin's version of the character. I do think both versions were great parts of all the movies they were in and I will miss the character if another movie is made in the Kelvin universe.

I honestly wouldn't give a crap if Pegg got kicked out of the Scotty role. He's appalling. Very funny in comedies but he's painfully unfunny as Scotty. Doohan just made that role what it was with his bad accent and comedy timing. Pegg is miscast.

Everyone else is great. Uhura and Sulu are nothing like they were in TOS but that's no bad thing since they were underused in TOS anyway.

 

[Relayer1]

I think Urban is as important as Pine and Quinto as he's been just as big a highlight of the series acting and character-wise, though I'd argue that Saldana and Cho are also required for this movie to go ahead.

Pine never really nailed it for me, nor Saldana, and I didn't like Cho, Yelchin and Pegg.

Give me a Spock and Bones movie...

 

[Qonundrum]

Why not reboot the Kelvin universe into another universe in the way the prime universe was Kelvinized? This can go on forever, quasi-evolving along the way just like Shakespeare's plays have...

 

[yenny]

I'm assumming that everyone will be onboard. If not, they don't need the Enterprise to make a Star Trek movie. There other starships in the fleet.

 

[ISS Enterprise]

Agree with others - you can not make a TOS movie without Kirk AND Spock period. When this whole idea was sold to the studio, etc. they bought into a young Kirk n Spock as selling point. Very marketable product

A TOS movie wo Kirk n Spock would make ST Beyond's nmbrs look like an Avengers movie take, IMO

 

[Relayer1]

Agree with others - you can not make a TOS movie without Kirk AND Spock period.

I disagree. The time period isn't that important and Trek can obviously get by without Kirk & Co.

I'm assumming that everyone will be onboard. If not, they don't need the Enterprise to make a Star Trek movie. There other starships in the fleet.

Precisely.