Yep. It tried to fix something that was never broken in the first place. Not every alien species in Trek needs to have rubber appliances stuck on their head.
Ethan Peck cast as DSC's Spock
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Yep. It tried to fix something that was never broken in the first place. Not every alien species in Trek needs to have rubber appliances stuck on their head.
I'm more than game for Ethan. Just hope his acting chops are ace and he looks to make a home run with his performance, but from what it seems he's very excited to play the role no different than Anson.
If people are gonna photoshop him, might want to at least start with a pic without his head cocked and slightly smiling like he's posing for a high school yearbook.
Will await your pro photoshop then friend. Otherwise might want to give more credit to those who actually do it (in this case the artist credited on the manipulation). Or go troll somewhere else.
It's not trolling. It's calling it for what it is. How many pictures of Spock have him smiling softly and looking coy? It's just a bad photoshop job.
That isn't trolling.
Yeah, as someone who made this quick version of him the first day Peck was announced, there really aren't any other shots of him available that are good enough to be mocked up (I removed it because it ultimately felt like a weird exercise in speculation). The one just posted upthread is pretty darn good given what's out there to work with, I'd say.
Zachary Quinto will always be my first choice for NuSpock, but I guess Gregory Pecks grandson isn't the worst idea. He's a bit too pretty to be Spock, but I can deal with that lol.
This does raise the eventuality of Kirk being recast. If they are wiling to go a little older than Peck: Eion Bailey. If a little younger: Emory Cohen.
This does raise the eventuality of Kirk being recast. If they are wiling to go a little older than Peck: Eion Bailey. If a little younger: Emory Cohen.
TNG was 13 years after TAS left the air (With TOS in reruns). There had been feature films from 1979-1986.
ST: D was 12 years after the last TV Star Trek (with TNG et. al. in reruns) and there were feature films in a new continuity from 2009 - 2016.
So really, what;s the big difference again that says somehow ST: D has it 'easier' then TNG did?
Quinto is too old looking to plaY DSC Spock.
Yes it is friend. If it provided anything constructive aside from randomly jabbing at a manipulation I'd say it wasn't. It adds nothing to the conversation, does not improve on that artists work, and finally is at best a complaint that is only looking to incite. When they can provide something of greater depth or provide useful criticisms I'll be more than happy to not establish their comment as trolling. Until then though my stance holds.
I'm not your friend
I honestly don't find it an apt comparison, and I think you may quite misunderstand my point of view on what's wrong with "The Naked Now" (TNG)—if understandably so, because I didn't further elaborate. Allow me to do so now...
To be clear, I don't have any problem with its connection to TOS whatsoever, in and of itself. My problem with the episode is that it fails almost entirely to do anything dramatically worthwhile for its own characters, largely coming off like an empty slapstick pastiche. "The Naked Time" (TOS) gives us glimpses into the characters of Kirk and Spock deeper and more revelatory than nearly any other episode. It's not just a story about everyone acting wacky and hamming it up, although there is some of that thrown in for the purposes of exposition and comic relief to offset the heavier elements. Despite (or rather because of) the influence they are under, they are actually acting more, not less, in-character than usual, let alone entirely out of it.
The most interesting dramatic thread to spring out of "Now" was the Tasha/Data tryst, yet ultimately only because of how later stories ended up treating it in retrospect. Even with respect to Picard and Crusher's unspoken mutual attraction, we are offered little to no actual insight here that isn't better illustrated in half a dozen other episodes. And the singular momentary sparkle of actual entertainment in the whole dreary affair for me is the gag where Data is bemusedly reciting the limerick and Worf replies he doesn't understand our humor either. In effect, all the episode is good for (and not very, even in that) is exactly what you outline above: a wholly unnecessary, yet seemingly considered obligatory, disclaimer that "yes, this new Star Trek show is connected to that old Star Trek show."
Now, you may find DSC to fit that description, and that's your own business, and I'm sorry you do. But I don't. Not remotely. I don't find Burnham to have been defined by her relationship to Spock or to Sarek, but rather by the choices she's made and the consequences that have followed from them. (If anything, it's the reverse, and they are coming to be further and better defined by their relationships to her. And personally, I enjoy that, whether it was strictly needed or not.)
Likewise, I don't find the usage of the MU to be mere fan service, but rather a subversion of Lorca's convincingly charming and seductive moral ambiguity as presented in the first half of the season, and a timely commentary on how easy it can be to fall under the sway of those who would manipulate us into believing they're merely taking extreme actions as called for by extreme circumstances—as Burnham too believes of herself at the outset, perhaps more rightfully, or perhaps not—yet in reality are acting behind the scenes to pervert and undermine, with devious intent and to their own selfish purposes, the very principles that keep us all from falling into darkness. (No pun intended there, but obviously there are similar themes to be found in that film as well. I'd say neither manages to present it all perfectly, yet I find DSC's handling of it overall more effective for drawing it out over a whole season, rather than less so. I realize you probably feel differently. And again, that's fair enough; I'm not trying to say otherwise here. I simply can't agree.)
So even if DSC does indeed scream "Look! This is Star Trek!" rather loudly, I'd say it's earned the right. Because it clearly is, fully and deeply, all the way through. It's no pale imitation. It's the real deal.
-MMoM
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This. Whenever I hear accusations of DSC being contrary to what Star Trek is all about I have to laugh because this character development is about as Star Trek as you can get.
Personally, I enjoy this 'color outside the lines' approach while dealing with characters in an actual continuum as actual people do. It makes them relateaable and more easy to empathize or sympathize with. It forces you to question and take stock of your own valies. When did they change? Why? What were the circumstances involved? Who may have been an influence? How did you evaluate all of this from a subjective pov? How much emotion and importance have you placed on a given movie, tv show or book?
P.S. Hurting people's ickle bickie feewings is inevitable. Don't worry! Theirs will get hurt, so will yours. Don't deny your true being. We all get hurt, we retreat and lick our wounds and jump back in. Don't worry. It's just life and every man born has to pay death. You're born, you live you die. Do what you want. Pay heed to hierarchy but don't let it define you.
P S. I did take liberties boldings your texts I highly identified with. Sorry if I snipped important points you were trying to make.
You mean like Berman and Braga:
- Who turned Scotty into a dotting old fool to the point Geordi wanted nothing to do with him? (TNG: "Relics")
- Who had Picard, Sisko and Janeway often state that had Kirk and Spock been in 24th Century Star Fleet, they'd have been court martialed?
- Who originally wrote in ST:Gen a scene where Kirk was shot in the back? (Said scene was re-written and re filmed due to poor test audience response) And hell, who had Kirk's actual final moments NOT be commanding a Starship, but riding a horse, and then fighting on a Planet and he couldn't even beat and old mad scientist in HTH combat?
^^^
yet, the team in charge of TNG era Trek for 18 years (1987 - 2005) did a real 'great job' with the classic characters who gave them the opportunity to do their version of Star Trek.
I doubt Picard could be treated any worse then Berman and Braga did for Scotty or Kirk.
Ummmm....
Kirk WAS Court Martialed ... Twice ... "Court Martial" and "The Voyage Home"
(though it was a Federation Council in the latter)
And Scotty was 75 YEARS out of his element and knew it, he WAS acting like a "dotting [sic] old fool" till Picard chatted with him on the holodeck.
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Because TNG was the outright first Trek without Shatner, Nimoy et al. That’s been done now, multiple times. DSC doesn’t have to prove itself in so steep a manner. It just has to play nice with others.
I think the point was to simply differentiate the eras.
Picard seemed quite fond of Scott, and Sisko got Kirk's autograph. If I was LaForge, I would've probably been a bit miffed with Scott trying to step on my toes.
These types of team-ups are never as good as we imagine them to be, mainly because there's no chemistry between the various characters and the writers who wrote the versions we fell in love with are long gone.