Star Trek 4 Hits A Snag

[Danlav05]

it's a difficult one - Trouble is our franchise isn't nearly as popular as what Disney are selling- I mean this with no disrespect to anyone but even as a kid most of my friends (in 90s UK) thought of Star Trek as 'boring' compared to other things. It's difficult, though Discovery has done OK TV is a different media to cinema.

 

[TrickyDickie]

Recasting sometimes goes poorly for all involved. Case in point:

 

[Kirk Prime]

And I would say that thinking 25 year olds don't know who Shatner is, yet like Star Trek is a ridiculous thought.

If anyone doesn't think Shatner, as Kirk, attached to Star Trek, wouldn't draw in an audience, they are fooling themselves. Nostalgia always brings people in.

Bo and Luke Duke were never recast until the dumb movie in 2005. The actors in that picture played different characters.

Anyone who doesn't think recasting works, must hate the Kelvin cast, since none of them originated their roles.

 

[Khan 2.0]

Ask your average 25 year old moviegoer about the prospect of this. I bet most of them don't even know who he is, let alone part with cash to watch him star in a film franchise that already has an image problem.

ur average 25 year old will be wondering what the hell these movies are and why Michael Burnham isn't in them

 

[johnjm22]

No one outside Trek Fandom will give a shit, and it's their money we need.

No one inside or outside of Trek fandom will give a shit about Hemsworth.

 

[Lord Garth]

Anyone who doesn't think recasting works, must hate the Kelvin cast, since none of them originated their roles.

That was a recasting of the entire cast out of necessity of it being a reboot and taking place when the characters were young.

Chris Pine is NuKirk. Zachary Quinto is NuSpock. I can't picture this version of Star Trek without them. They're the leads along with Zoe Saldana and Karl Urban. Maybe you could recast Sulu and Scotty since they're not part of the Big Four.

It's easier, and less jarring, to just do another reboot if they can't get Chris Pine back. Three movies is a good enough run. Not too short, not too long. Three is "just right". Four is still in the "just right" range too, but Beyond feels like a good stopping point even if they don't do any more with this cast.

 

[TrickyDickie]

Bo and Luke Duke were never recast until the dumb movie in 2005. The actors in that picture played different characters.

It was recasting the two main characters of the show, who drove the General Lee.

Another parallel is when they came out with new Coke and enough people thoroughly disliked it that they brought back the original formula.

Another, they tried to make Necco wafers more natural, but people hated them and they brought back the formula with the dye and artificial ingredients.

 

[Smellmet]

No one inside or outside of Trek fandom will give a shit about Hemsworth.

And I'm equally as uninterested in Hemsworth returning too.

 

[ITDUDE]

It's easier, and less jarring, to just do another reboot if they can't get Chris Pine back. Three movies is a good enough run. Not too short, not too long. Three is "just right". Four is still in the "just right" range too, but Beyond feels like a good stopping point even if they don't do any more with this cast.

If Pine is out permanently, they will not recast him. They may try to release ST4 with the rest of the crew and without Kirk, but I am not holding my breath for that movie's success.
They will also not reboot the Kelvin universe with new crew (nunuKirk, nunuSpock, etc.) I am not sure how licensing agreement with CBS works, (if they MUST release another movie or give back Trek to CBS) but I see Paramount possibly fast tracking some low budget Star Trek movie with completely different story to the big screen (or direct to Video with limited theatrical release), with some other crew in the Kelvin universe, while waiting for QT Trek to materialize.

 

[Kirk Prime]

If Pine is out permanently, they will not recast him. They may try to release ST4 with the rest of the crew and without Kirk, but I am not holding my breath for that movie's success.

I'm going to go with this not happening. The idea of a TOS movie without Kirk is ridiculous, and not even Paramount is that dumb with Star Trek. Pine can be recast.

 

[Lord Garth]

If Pine is out permanently, they will not recast him. They may try to release ST4 with the rest of the crew and without Kirk, but I am not holding my breath for that movie's success.
They will also not reboot the Kelvin universe with new crew (nunuKirk, nunuSpock, etc.) I am not sure how licensing agreement with CBS works, (if they MUST release another movie or give back Trek to CBS) but I see Paramount possibly fast tracking some low budget Star Trek movie with completely different story to the big screen (or direct to Video with limited theatrical release), with some other crew in the Kelvin universe, while waiting for QT Trek to materialize.

They won't do another reboot right now but I'm dead sure they will in the 2020s. They'll have a third version of Kirk and Spock... and I'm not talking about Discovery. A third film version of the characters.

They've done it to Bond, they've done it to Batman, they've done it to Superman. They've done it to any characters who last long enough.

If TNG hadn't been around, we'd already be on a third version of Kirk and Spock. TFF would've been the last of the original films (TUC only exists because TNG kept interest in Star Trek around long enough for Paramount to want to do a 25th Annivesarry film), they would've rebooted Star Trek in the late-'90s or early-2000s, it would've run its course (how long these films would've lasted and how good they would've been doesn't matter and would be pure speculation); then sometime in the 2010s, a third version of them would've been introduced. There will still be a third version, it'll just happen later than it would've.

 

[Q2UnME]

Keep Pine (pay him the money owed) and higher the cheaper, older brother Hemsworth (currently on Westword). Problem solved and budget in-line with studio requirements.

Q2

 

[Kor]

Somehow bring back Captain Robau as well, and fandom will rejoice beyond words.

Kor

 

[Khan 2.0]

Somehow bring back Captain Robau as well, and fandom will rejoice beyond words.

Kor

wonder if Eric Bana will be involved. With these pay disputes I'm guessing not

 

[Danlav05]

They won't do another reboot right now but I'm dead sure they will in the 2020s. They'll have a third version of Kirk and Spock... and I'm not talking about Discovery. A third film version of the characters.

They've done it to Bond, they've done it to Batman, they've done it to Superman. They've done it to any characters who last long enough.

If TNG hadn't been around, we'd already be on a third version of Kirk and Spock. TFF would've been the last of the original films (TUC only exists because TNG kept interest in Star Trek around long enough for Paramount to want to do a 25th Annivesarry film), they would've rebooted Star Trek in the late-'90s or early-2000s, it would've run its course (how long these films would've lasted and how good they would've been doesn't matter and would be pure speculation); then sometime in the 2010s, a third version of them would've been introduced. There will still be a third version, it'll just happen later than it would've.

Fascinating, but true.

I have a feeling the movies will keep with Kirk and Spock in some form as that crew is the most recognised in terms of pop culture. Maybe we could get a TNG reboot, those characters are quite well known but not as much as TOS.

I think. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they want Samuel L Jackson as Ben Sisko on a DS9 which is exploding around him!! :P

 

[Lord Garth]

I have a feeling the movies will keep with Kirk and Spock in some form as that crew is the most recognised in terms of pop culture. Maybe we could get a TNG reboot, those characters are quite well known but not as much as TOS.

This is what I would've thought before. But now I don't know if Paramount is interested in having a Picard film series while CBS has a Picard TV series (if it's not just a mini-series). On the opposite end: it's also why I don't think CBS All Access will make a show about Kirk's Enterprise while Paramount is making movies about him.

 

[Kor]

Recasting sometimes goes poorly for all involved. Case in point:

That was a replacement of the characters with new ones rather than recasting of the same characters. Sometimes that works, and sometimes it doesn't. Trapper being replaced with BJ in M*A*S*H worked fine. This didn't.

Kor

 

[TrickyDickie]

Maybe they want Samuel L Jackson as Ben Sisko on a DS9 which is exploding around him!!

Well, I posted this in the DS9 caption thread, but I don't think anyone got it....

Sisko: "Remember when Scotty said 'Up your Shaft' ? Well, that's exactly what I'm doing. You can call me John...."

 

[TrickyDickie]

That was a replacement of the characters with new ones rather than recasting of the same characters. Sometimes that works, and sometimes it doesn't. Trapper being replaced with BJ in M*A*S*H worked fine. This didn't.

Kor

The complaints at the time mostly revolved around them not being different enough from Bo and Luke....that they were just poor imitations, with the height-hair color reversed. In that sense, it was recasting of the original characters because they were not cousins with personalities that were a lot different than Bo and Luke.

 

[Nyotarules]

Shatner would draw in the crowds. Keep the press happy until they get to gush about the QT film

Only if the crowds were born between 1930 and 1980