"We've evolved"
-Captain Jean Luc Picard
Yup. Star Trek has never been subtle. Since we insist upon comparing shows.
Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?
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-Captain Jean Luc Picard
Yup. Star Trek has never been subtle. Since we insist upon comparing shows.
My favorite exchange ever comes from Star Trek: First Contact...
Picard: In the 24th Century we have a more evolved sensibility.
Lily: Bullshit! I saw the look on your face on the holodeck. You were almost enjoying it!
Picard: How dare you.
Lily: Oh come on, Captain. You're not the first person to get a thrill from murdering someone. I see it all the time!
Picard: GET OUT!!!!
Lily: Or what? You'll kill me? Like you killed Ensign Lynch?
Picard: There was no way to save him.
Lily: You didn't even try!!! Where was your evolved sensibility then?!
Picard: This is not about revenge! This is about Saving Humanity!
Lily: Jean-Luc, blow up the damn ship!!!
Picard: NO!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Best scene ever. Cuts through EVERYTHING! And why I think "We're more evolved!" is just propaganda.
Picard: In the 24th Century we have a more evolved sensibility.
Lily: Bullshit! I saw the look on your face on the holodeck. You were almost enjoying it!
Picard: How dare you.
Lily: Oh come on, Captain. You're not the first person to get a thrill from murdering someone. I see it all the time!
Picard: GET OUT!!!!
Lily: Or what? You'll kill me? Like you killed Ensign Lynch?
Picard: There was no way to save him.
Lily: You didn't even try!!! Where was your evolved sensibility then?!
Picard: This is not about revenge! This is about Saving Humanity!
Lily: Jean-Luc, blow up the damn ship!!!
Picard: NO!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Best scene ever. Cuts through EVERYTHING! And why I think "We're more evolved!" is just propaganda.
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Don't careWhatever one thinks, one thing is certain: CBS doesn't see it all as one license!
I got the distinct feeling that the crew of the USS Shenzhou really were not typical Star Fleet "soldiers" and that's exactly the way Georgiou wanted it.
She had a ship full of scientists and wanna-be explorers on purpose.
She seemed to have a more of a "Motherly-Teaching" type of Captaincy, especially with her bridge crew.
I also believe that Lorca did the exact same thing, but for a completely different reason...
He wanted a crew that would be completely malleable and would never question any of his orders.
Burnham being the one sole exception.
(but he had nefarious reasons to bring her on board and she was't technically part of the original crew he selected )
What better way for him to complete his MU escapades than to pick people who just lost a Captain and ship due to a perceived case of insubordination. They became his "sheep for the slaughter".
TNG has not aged well, especially the first couple of seasons. TNG season one is so difficult for me to watch anymore.
To me the tone of TOS feels more relevant (i.e., less dated) than TNG does. I would say, though, that I can still enjoy seasons 5, 6, and most of 7.
I'm fine watching seasons one through five. Six and seven are just plain poor to me.
I might have missed it, what leads you to believe Lorca selected his crew? As opposed to he was assigned by Starfleet to command a ship with a pre-existing crew?
He selected some of the crew specifically to make Burnham feel at ease. That's why there are former Shenzhou crewmemebers coincidentally on board.
At least I'm pretty sure that is said or implied in the show.
Well, it has to be more than just coincidence that a large portion of DISCOVERY's crew is from the Shenzhou. (especially the bridge crew)
It's highly unlikely that Star Fleet would purposely assign almost an entire crew, recovering from a particularly nasty loss of a Captain and the ship, immediately to another ship.
(Kirk & the Gang not withstanding)
Lorca most likely used his "Captain Prerogative" as the commander of a newly assigned ship, to influence the Shenzhou crew placement to the USS DISCOVERY.
That at least, IMO, is what makes the most sense.
I also highly doubt that they ALL requested to be assigned to a ship that was supposed to be somewhat of a Big Secret.
Admiral Cornwell probably wondered why Lorca wanted a "somewhat damaged" crew on his ship, but she went along with it because ... ~~SEX~~.
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Well, we got Worf's backstory.
Funny thing about Worf - when is his back story first established - given that originally the Klingon empire was part of the Federation in S1 (and S2?) was he actually an orphan or simply a federation citizen from the Empire?
Yeah. He uses his latitude to get Burnham and Ash. It’s strongly implied he gets to handpick no matter what. It’s definitely stated that’s how he got Stamets.
What’s not made much of is the way it’s strongly implied he used a weapon to allow him to pick up Burnham from the shuttle in the first place. I think the same effect occurs when he overrides Stamets navigation. But they never really explain it.
Detmer and Saru. Who else is from Shenzhou?
The entire bridge crew no? Lots of people eating together away from Burnham.
No, only bridge crew from Shenzhou are Saru and Keyla Detmer. Lots of people eating away of Burnham aren't proof that they are from Shenzhou. Burnham is widely know as first mutineer and person who started war.
See, this is why they need to bump up the lines for the extras.
Picard - I prefer movie Picard to TNG Picard
Janeway - she has my sympathies, she had a nervous breakdown
I got the distinct feeling that the crew of the USS Shenzhou really were not typical Star Fleet "soldiers" and that's exactly the way Georgiou wanted it.
She had a ship full of scientists and wanna-be explorers on purpose.
She seemed to have a more of a "Motherly-Teaching" type of Captaincy, especially with her bridge crew.
I also believe that Lorca did the exact same thing, but for a completely different reason...
He wanted a crew that would be completely malleable and would never question any of his orders.
Burnham being the one sole exception.
(but he had nefarious reasons to bring her on board and she was't technically part of the original crew he selected )
What better way for him to complete his MU escapades than to pick people who just lost a Captain and ship due to a perceived case of insubordination. They became his "sheep for the slaughter".
How do you explain the idiot Admiral who got killed in the first episode, if folks like him ran World War Two on the Allied side, the Germans/Italians and Japanese would have won! He was Neville Chamberlain in a uniform.
Hey, maybe the federation really wanted bratwurst for breakfast, sushi for lunch, and Bologneise For dinner....
Erm. That’s pretty much a standard day in London right? Funny world.
More importantly, how else would we have known how awesome Burnham and the gang would be if they hadn’t made an example of Admiral Peace McIdiotpants in episode one?
They would have just been somewhat milquetoast if we hadn’t had his shining example of why Starfleet should always commit war crimes and stuff.
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